Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 14:48 -0400, Marc Paré wrote:
> Le 2010-10-20 14:10, Drew Jensen a écrit :
> > On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 13:16 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote:
> > > > Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto:
> > > > > 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all
> > > > > derived works.
> > > > > 2. what if you just remove the code
> > > >
> > > > Contributions are not only code. There are a lot of intangibles.
> > > >
> > > > Marketing, lobbying and advocating work are some examples.
> > >
> > > Please let us not expand what defines contribution.
> > >
> > > Lobbying should not IMO garner admittance.
> > >
> > > Advocating should not.
> > >
> > > Working on this project(s) should be the only work that counts.
> >
> > Actually, I would need to amend that last sentence:
> >
> >
> > Work on the main project or it's accepted sub-projects. For instance
> > there may be extensions - either directly as Add-ons to the LibreOffice
> > package, possibly even extensions to desktop packages with features
> > specifically created to support LibreOffice and the ODF.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Drew
>
> So you are proposing that a contributor is someone who has contributed 
> either hard code or plug-in code etc. to the project. The contributions 
> MUST be associated some way to code or ODF code convention.

If you are asking for membership and your area of contribution is coding
then yes - but it is not the only type of work that is considered.

> Presumably then, no one other than a dev or dev-like contributor could 
> become a TDF member.

The draft on the wiki specifically lists marketing and other actions as
working on the project.

> So, let's take me as an example, I am part of the Canadian Marketing 
> Team which is starting from zero resources and contacts. If I make 
> arrangements for Marcon's in our 12 regions of my country; make 
> arrangements for large city LibO representatives; make arrangements for 
> a national conference with conference facilities for our newly expanded 
> Canadian Marketing Team and then try to find corporate sponsorship for 
> both Canadian Marketing Team and LibO advertising and installfests etc. 
> This according to your criteria would not suffice to award me membership 
> into the TDF.
>
> Would this not, in some way, be considered as a contributor to the TDF?
>
> If not, then how would I be able to make my voice heard to the TDF 
> membership when there was an issue that I would consider important to me 
> or LibO?
>
> If yes, then, what measure could we use, to consider such a person as 
> described, to award membership status. How much would a person have to 
> contribute (I am still taking my example as Canadian Marketing Team 
> member) to be awarded membership status?

See my response to Charles and Mike a few minutes ago for my thoughts on
that.

> For that matter, how about the people providing on the localization 
> projects?

Again specifically mentioned in the draft.

> IMHO, I believe you are skipping one major step by establishing 
> membership criteria to the TDF. The hierarchy must be established first 
> and then define membership. 

That is one approach - I don't think it is one that most here would sign
onto..but could be wrong. I'm still chewing that over..

> The hierarchy is pretty well evident as I 
> has posted my suggestion re: this before and out of coincidence James 
> Walker, in a different way, suggested, on this thread, the same 
> organization of the TDF project as I had. I am sure that we will not be 
> the only ones to define it this way as it is the natural way to organize 
> the groups. (I quote James Walker here for the sake of convenience, below)

Thanks - I'll add comments to that email from James.

Drew


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