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On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 14:48 -0400, Marc Paré wrote:
Le 2010-10-20 14:10, Drew Jensen a écrit :
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 13:16 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote:
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote:
Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto:
1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all
derived works.
2. what if you just remove the code

Contributions are not only code. There are a lot of intangibles.

Marketing, lobbying and advocating work are some examples.

Please let us not expand what defines contribution.

Lobbying should not IMO garner admittance.

Advocating should not.

Working on this project(s) should be the only work that counts.

Actually, I would need to amend that last sentence:

Work on the main project or it's accepted sub-projects. For instance
there may be extensions - either directly as Add-ons to the LibreOffice
package, possibly even extensions to desktop packages with features
specifically created to support LibreOffice and the ODF.



So you are proposing that a contributor is someone who has contributed 
either hard code or plug-in code etc. to the project. The contributions 
MUST be associated some way to code or ODF code convention.

If you are asking for membership and your area of contribution is coding
then yes - but it is not the only type of work that is considered.

Presumably then, no one other than a dev or dev-like contributor could 
become a TDF member.

The draft on the wiki specifically lists marketing and other actions as
working on the project.

So, let's take me as an example, I am part of the Canadian Marketing 
Team which is starting from zero resources and contacts. If I make 
arrangements for Marcon's in our 12 regions of my country; make 
arrangements for large city LibO representatives; make arrangements for 
a national conference with conference facilities for our newly expanded 
Canadian Marketing Team and then try to find corporate sponsorship for 
both Canadian Marketing Team and LibO advertising and installfests etc. 
This according to your criteria would not suffice to award me membership 
into the TDF.

Would this not, in some way, be considered as a contributor to the TDF?

If not, then how would I be able to make my voice heard to the TDF 
membership when there was an issue that I would consider important to me 
or LibO?

If yes, then, what measure could we use, to consider such a person as 
described, to award membership status. How much would a person have to 
contribute (I am still taking my example as Canadian Marketing Team 
member) to be awarded membership status?

See my response to Charles and Mike a few minutes ago for my thoughts on

For that matter, how about the people providing on the localization 

Again specifically mentioned in the draft.

IMHO, I believe you are skipping one major step by establishing 
membership criteria to the TDF. The hierarchy must be established first 
and then define membership. 

That is one approach - I don't think it is one that most here would sign
onto..but could be wrong. I'm still chewing that over..

The hierarchy is pretty well evident as I 
has posted my suggestion re: this before and out of coincidence James 
Walker, in a different way, suggested, on this thread, the same 
organization of the TDF project as I had. I am sure that we will not be 
the only ones to define it this way as it is the natural way to organize 
the groups. (I quote James Walker here for the sake of convenience, below)

Thanks - I'll add comments to that email from James.


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