Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mail List issues

Hi Florian, NoOp, *,

Florian Effenberger schrieb:
> NoOp wrote on 2011-03-10 06.10:

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> If you have a good proposal, let me know. We, however, tried every
> solution, and mlmmj seemed best.

+1

> What we, and that's where I agree with you, need is some web interface
> that helps users in managing their subscriptions.

I won't worry about that, as long as it ist *not* obligatory! One of the
big advantages of the "mail way" of managing mailing list
(un-)subscriptions is *not* to have one more account anywhere around.

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> > Perhaps it is because by the time the reach point of unsubscribing
> > to the list(s) that they don't want to read? Don't know, but if the
> > unsubscribe/subscribe information were posted on the website mail
> > list area maybe they could instead be referred to that instead of
> > some special email?

I wait for that link since January! No one was able to provide me with
it up to now!
see:
http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss@documentfoundation.org/msg04585.html

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> > How about tagging moderated messages so that subscribed users know
> > that the post is from a unsubscribed poster and has been forwarded
> > by a moderator? It's rather simple: just as a [Moderated] tag to the
> > subject of the message.

> As said, we would have to iplement that ourselves. So, if there's a
> volunteer, willing to work on the mlmmj source code, I am happy
> install a patch. Sadly, no mailing list system I know of provides
> that, but it would indeed be a great feature.

See my mail to Marco:
http://go.mail-archive.com/RjF-au8F7oa5W9Jc7Z9f2S2YwhA=

In short saying: send autgenerated mail to nonsubscriber pointing to the
archived thread of his question.

> > Then if the mandate is to allow unsubscribed posts, *please*
> > identify the post as such with a [Moderated] tag in the subject. As
> > you may/or may not have witnessed on the OOo list over the past 5
> > years or so, this issue has been a subject of contention that raises
> > it's ugly head at least once a month. The general consensus was to
> > allow unsubscribed posters; the key problem was/is that there was/is
> > no easy way to know if the post came from such.

As Marko says in his Blog: don't bother valuable volunteers with that
question at all.

> > So folks send off a reply only to be told later that the time they
> > took to respond fell on deaf ears because the OP was from someone not
> > subscribed to the list. They then have to decide whether they wish to
> > reforward their response to the Unsub, or just move on.

> I agree that this would be helpful, it just has to be developed, as no
> mailing list manager provides it out of the box. My take would be,
> btw, to add the information to the message body, in order to not
> break threading with a modified subject. Again, if someone wants to
> come up with a patch that does it, you're welcome! See
> http://mlmmj.org/bugs/bug.php?id=20

This from my point of view is one solution even if not my favorite.

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> > Is it a limitation for mlmmj, or can the instructions that are
> > received in the email be posted on the website?

See above. I'm waiting just for the link - no matter whether alive or
not - since weeks.

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> In a nutshell: Four things can help, and if someone works on them,
> that would be welcome

>       1. A website explaining the unsubscription mechanism
>       2. A web interface for moderators and users of the lists
>       3. A patch to tag moderated messages
>       4. A patch to improve the unsubscription mechanism, so that
> unsubscribe always unsubscribes you from everything, as long as you
> just have one type of list subscription

5. A mechanism informing not subscribed people, how to find the anwers
themselves.


Gruß/regards
-- 
Friedrich
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