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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mail List issues


Hi Florian, NoOp, *,

Florian Effenberger schrieb:
NoOp wrote on 2011-03-10 06.10:

[..]

If you have a good proposal, let me know. We, however, tried every
solution, and mlmmj seemed best.

+1

What we, and that's where I agree with you, need is some web interface
that helps users in managing their subscriptions.

I won't worry about that, as long as it ist *not* obligatory! One of the
big advantages of the "mail way" of managing mailing list
(un-)subscriptions is *not* to have one more account anywhere around.

[..]

Perhaps it is because by the time the reach point of unsubscribing
to the list(s) that they don't want to read? Don't know, but if the
unsubscribe/subscribe information were posted on the website mail
list area maybe they could instead be referred to that instead of
some special email?

I wait for that link since January! No one was able to provide me with
it up to now!
see:
http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss@documentfoundation.org/msg04585.html

[..]

How about tagging moderated messages so that subscribed users know
that the post is from a unsubscribed poster and has been forwarded
by a moderator? It's rather simple: just as a [Moderated] tag to the
subject of the message.

As said, we would have to iplement that ourselves. So, if there's a
volunteer, willing to work on the mlmmj source code, I am happy
install a patch. Sadly, no mailing list system I know of provides
that, but it would indeed be a great feature.

See my mail to Marco:
http://go.mail-archive.com/RjF-au8F7oa5W9Jc7Z9f2S2YwhA=

In short saying: send autgenerated mail to nonsubscriber pointing to the
archived thread of his question.

Then if the mandate is to allow unsubscribed posts, *please*
identify the post as such with a [Moderated] tag in the subject. As
you may/or may not have witnessed on the OOo list over the past 5
years or so, this issue has been a subject of contention that raises
it's ugly head at least once a month. The general consensus was to
allow unsubscribed posters; the key problem was/is that there was/is
no easy way to know if the post came from such.

As Marko says in his Blog: don't bother valuable volunteers with that
question at all.

So folks send off a reply only to be told later that the time they
took to respond fell on deaf ears because the OP was from someone not
subscribed to the list. They then have to decide whether they wish to
reforward their response to the Unsub, or just move on.

I agree that this would be helpful, it just has to be developed, as no
mailing list manager provides it out of the box. My take would be,
btw, to add the information to the message body, in order to not
break threading with a modified subject. Again, if someone wants to
come up with a patch that does it, you're welcome! See
http://mlmmj.org/bugs/bug.php?id=20

This from my point of view is one solution even if not my favorite.

[..]

Is it a limitation for mlmmj, or can the instructions that are
received in the email be posted on the website?

See above. I'm waiting just for the link - no matter whether alive or
not - since weeks.

[..]

In a nutshell: Four things can help, and if someone works on them,
that would be welcome

      1. A website explaining the unsubscription mechanism
      2. A web interface for moderators and users of the lists
      3. A patch to tag moderated messages
      4. A patch to improve the unsubscription mechanism, so that
unsubscribe always unsubscribes you from everything, as long as you
just have one type of list subscription

5. A mechanism informing not subscribed people, how to find the anwers
themselves.


Gruß/regards
-- 
Friedrich
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