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p.s. The Swiss have, through the centuries, developed a real sense of
checks and balances in participatory decession making porocesses that
really efficently get things done in a way that they feel satisfied
their goals and aims are being met.

I'll rest on this now - I hope that it helps any one who is
contemplating  these issues.


On 19 October 2010 12:16, Paul A Norman <> wrote:
I personally realsie and appreciate that a lot of focuus has been on
the divorce from Oracle.

But there is an old saying that the seed that is sown in the ground is
the seed that grows.

Turn things around from "leaving Oracle" - "getting the community
together" and refocuss in short order on why you have seperated from
Oracle - to be in a position to be able to do a better job.

And now focuss on what that better job is.

You have highly talkanted developers amongst you - that hardly needs
to be a better job it is very well done already - itds the overall
product if I may use that word, and servicing your clientelle. That is
the future.

But if that is not at heart now, then the seed that will be growing
into a onster tree is a movement about not being under an awful ogre
(any number of corporations).

The new community is by any definition a corporation (a body
corporate) jsut not a private profit making one

The questoin is what sort of corpoation will it become, and what does
it exist for? Just some thoughts.

1. Quality customer service
2. Decission making porocesses that really utilise client feedback
3. UI development that really takes User experience and concerns to
the heart of decission making
4. Feature devlopment and external process integration that leads the
field and pre-empts clients' needs
5. Care for its own members professional and skill cultivation to meet
these sorts of aims.
6. Unashamedly adopt policies, mandates, and leadership structures and
review processes that facilitate the development and implementaton of
the various component parts of the project(s)
7. Elect leaders for fixed terms (what ever) find a mechanism to move
forward with out having to have a refunrendum on every single point
great and small
8 Recognise and Give real places to people in needed expertese areas
who are not dvelopers as such!


On 19 October 2010 11:45, Jon Hamkins <> wrote:
On 10/18/2010 03:00 PM, Roxy Robinson wrote:

Well, you can think what you want to think and I, as just a common
every day, 9 year user of OOo, will think what I want to think. Your
thoughts went way beyond what I said needed to be done, anyway. To
release any software, beta or otherwise, [without] the
support/instruction function in place, is stupid! IMHO!!!

(Roxy, please quote properly, so people won't get confused about who said
what.  Thanks.)

Well, you have a pretty strong opinion for it being humble.   I don't think
anyone here is stupid, least of all the organizers and developers of TDF.
 That's just rude.  They are doing an awesome job.   I guess we'll agree to

Also, it seems you are attempting to establish reputation by touting 9 years
usage, or perhaps I am misunderstanding your reason for mentioning it?  Does
this matter?  I don't think it does, but if you want to have that contest
please realize that I have been using StarOffice/OOo for a few years longer
than you -- I forget when StarDivision starting making it available free for
personal use, 1998, I think.

It's beta software, so there should be no expectation that a common user
would be installing it -- there is a warning on the site that says it's not
for production use.  The point I think is to send a message that LibO is
going to make the rubber hit the road, right out of the gate. Considering
all of the vaporware out there, I think that LibO is off to an awesome

And, it worked -- it got the community going.  The beta was downloaded 80
000 times in the first week, and the developer list is going gang-busters on
patches.  I consider this a wild success so far.


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