Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 17:04, Keith Curtis <keithcu@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You describe how all the committers and people on the steering
> > committee know these details. Well, of course. But what about all the
> > people at Apache who are trying to learn about the work you guys have
> > done here? Trying to learn the details of your Foundation, its
> > organization, and its (current) backing association? Trying to learn
> > who handles your donations, and how those proceeds are disbursed?
>
> If you had come up with a plan of merging the foundations, all these details
> would have been worked through. I don't think it matters now given the fork.
>
> > BRM, Jim, and I are trying to say that that information is opaque. It
> > takes direct involvement from Florian to achieve understanding.
>
> You should have gotten your question answered before the proposal was
> submitted for a vote.

We got our answer (before the vote) because Florian explained it. Our
point is that other people visiting the site will not have Florian's
attention. This has nothing to do with Apache, except by way of
example and that Florian was engaged. Others will not be so lucky.

I don't think the questions that I posed had anything to do with
"merging", but simply the kinds of curiosity that TDF supporters may
have (or those who may be interested in *becoming* supporters).

In short: suggestions on website improvements, for an audience that we
weren't describing to David very well.

> > Our goal is not to "beat" you. This is not a competition. That is not
> > how Apache operates.
>
> Your goal is not to beat LO, but by choosing a fork you make cooperation
> difficult via license incompatibilities and social engineering. So if you
> aren't cooperating or competing then what word would you recommend?

We want to cooperate. It is quite possible, and there have been
several suggestions on ways to do that.

If cooperation doesn't happen, then you're simply talking co-existence.

Competition requires "intent", I believe. But we can choose to
disagree on that, I suppose.

Cheers,
-g

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