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On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 15:05, David Nelson <> wrote:
Hi Jim, "BRM",

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 00:43, Jim Jagielski <> wrote:
There was,
and still is, the perception that TDF is an official, fully-
setup, self-controlled and self-existing foundation (similar
to what the ASF is)
Personally, I'm very happy with what's been achieved, and I'm
optimistic for the project's future.

Nobody is denying that or arguing otherwise.

It is simply that newbie's have NO UNDERSTANDING of this. Florian had
to explain all the details because they are not on the website.

You describe how all the committers and people on the steering
committee know these details. Well, of course. But what about all the
people at Apache who are trying to learn about the work you guys have
done here? Trying to learn the details of your Foundation, its
organization, and its (current) backing association? Trying to learn
who handles your donations, and how those proceeds are disbursed?

BRM, Jim, and I are trying to say that that information is opaque. It
takes direct involvement from Florian to achieve understanding.

BTW, I'm very happy to welcome you here to chew the fat with us. If
you really feel you have a different path forward that you want to
follow, then I sincerely wish you well with the endeavour. But you

We've chosen to take this path, yes... so thanks for the well wishes.

have a lot of running to do in every area to catch up with us, guys!
The competition will be interesting and probably not without

Our goal is not to "beat" you. This is not a competition. That is not
how Apache operates.

Apache is a charity conceived and constructed to provide code to the
world. We believe the best way to provide that code to *everybody* is
to do so under a permissive license. If we can create a release of
OOo, then we have performed our mission.

Our charitable status specifically precludes us from competition. But
would not want to compete, regardless. We will produce the best OOo we
can. If yours is better, then we believe that is just fine. If you are
able to use some portion of our code to make your job easier, then
even better.


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