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On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 13:12:32 +0200
"Simon Brouwer" <> wrote:

Hi Jim, all,

Jim Jagielski schreef:

On Jun 8, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:

On 8 Jun 2011, at 23:49, Jim Jagielski wrote:

On Jun 8, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Simon Brouwer wrote:

Op 6-6-2011 11:37, toki schreef:
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On 05/06/2011 15:00, Jim Jagielski wrote:

A formal, legal foundation. The ASF is a recognized 501(c)3,
TDF might not have 501(c)(3) status, but then consider that it
is incorporated in Germany, not the United States.
That 501(c)(3) status aside, is TDF actually a legally
established foundation (yet)?

I also think that 'independent' is also an adjective that belongs
there... being independent is quite important to a number
of FOSS ecosystem people...

While that is clearly a true statement, you seem to be implying
that you don't think TDF is "independent".  Please can you explain
what you mean?

People may just be curious about TDF being "backed" by“Freies Office
e.V.” as well as an associated project in Software in the Public
Interest (SPI).
What does being "backed" by them mean? How independent is it from
these 2 entitied? Just questions like that.

Certainly being an independent, legally established foundation is
critical, isn't it, as compare to one which is "just" a legally
established one?

But is it even "just" a legally established foundation? AFAIK, TDF
unto this day does not exist as a legal entity.

At the moment the legal entity is "Freies Office Deutschland
e.V." (e.V. = eingetragener Verein = incorporated society / registered
association). TDF is part of it. The by-laws of FrODeV explicitely
cater for such situations. So please stop spreading such nonsense that
TDF is not legally cabable of acting.

Manfred Usselmann <>

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