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Again, why just Thunderbird? Why not work with Mozilla (Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, 
Lightening/Sunbird, Firefox), Opera, GNOME (Evolution, etc), KDE (KMail, KPIM, 
etc.) to develop interfaces that can be used to integrate any of the various 
email and calendaring tools out there? Especially the open source ones.

There is no reason to limit people to just Thunderbird.

Ben



----- Original Message ----
From: Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387@gmail.com>
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 2:04:18 AM
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

I agree with you totally here Jaime.

On 01/06/2011 07:30 AM, Jaime R.  Garza wrote:
I believe integrating Thunderbird would be more a marketing  move than
anything else, but marketing is very effective!!! So that's  why I think it
would be great if Thunderbird could be integrated  automatically with LO. As
I said before, a sort of container that can  select the applications ti be
installed, probably giving the option by  installation to select the
individual appliciations: Writer(Text P.),  Calc(Spreadsheet),
Impress(Presentations),..., Thunderbird(E-Mail),  Lightning(Calendar).

Cheers!

Jaime R.  Garza

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 15:22, Christophe  Strobbe<
christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be>   wrote:

At 00:19 3/01/2011, Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:

What do other devs think about including  something as mentioned below
somehow in regards to a mail client  alternative to MS outlook?

I've been working without  an "integrated e-mail client" for years; it's 
not
a priority for me.  However, when I recommended OpenOffice.org to another
user  (before October last year), she asked if it also contained an  
Outlook
alternative. I replied that alternatives exist elsewhere,  e.g. 
Thunderbird.
(I just checked that Corel WordPerfect Office  Standard has Lightning and
Thunderbird integrated. The toll of  Microsoft Office brainwashing? As far 
as
I can tell from the  Wikipedia entry, iWork does not have an e-mail client.
Nor do  SoftMaker Office 2010 or Kingsoft Office 2010.)

Without  a proper survey, we can probably only guess how many users expect
an  e-mail cient in an office suite.
So I can only offer my opinion: the  ability to interface with e-mail
clients would be a useful feature.  Some users don't want to migrate to
another mail client just because  it is included in the LibreOffice 
download,
but other users - I'm  thinking of users new to office suites and e-mail -
may appreciate  some handholding. If an e-mail client were integrated in 
the
 LibreOffice download, I would like the option to exclude it from the
 installation and have the office suite interface with my installed  client
(assuming that it implements the necessary  APIs).

I haven't mentioned forking an existing mail  client; that's because I 
don't
consider it a good way to use TDF  community resources.

Best  regards,

 Christophe



  On 1/2/11 7:49  PM, Charles Marcus wrote:
On 2011-01-01 1:43 PM, Jonathan  Aquilina wrote:

Whats really held  OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an 
equivalent
 program such as outlook.

Well, I  disagree, but there is no way to prove one of us is right,  
so...

  There are one of three ways  it can be done.
1) fork something like evolution which  has all that done and integrate
 it
into the LO  suite

Evolution is extremely buggy,  *especially* on Windows, but yes, even on
*nix... Yes, there  are many people who run it without problems, but
there are  far more who complain of constant crashes and bugs, even on
 the stablest of systems  (otherwise)...

  2) or install  software that already exists in the open source arena.
 Thunderbird+Lightning would be the best other choice here...not  perfect
by any stretch, but the only viable FLOSS  alternative on Windows at the
moment, at least that I am  aware of...

  the problem with 2 is  that it will greatly increase the download size,
 which
would pose issues for people with slow  bandwidth.

Thunderbird+Lightning is  not that big...

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