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I agree with you totally here Jaime.

On 01/06/2011 07:30 AM, Jaime R. Garza wrote:
I believe integrating Thunderbird would be more a marketing move than
anything else, but marketing is very effective!!! So that's why I think it
would be great if Thunderbird could be integrated automatically with LO. As
I said before, a sort of container that can select the applications ti be
installed, probably giving the option by installation to select the
individual appliciations: Writer(Text P.), Calc(Spreadsheet),
Impress(Presentations),..., Thunderbird(E-Mail), Lightning(Calendar).


Jaime R. Garza

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 15:22, Christophe Strobbe<>  wrote:

At 00:19 3/01/2011, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:

What do other devs think about including something as mentioned below
somehow in regards to a mail client alternative to MS outlook?

I've been working without an "integrated e-mail client" for years; it's not
a priority for me. However, when I recommended to another
user (before October last year), she asked if it also contained an Outlook
alternative. I replied that alternatives exist elsewhere, e.g. Thunderbird.
(I just checked that Corel WordPerfect Office Standard has Lightning and
Thunderbird integrated. The toll of Microsoft Office brainwashing? As far as
I can tell from the Wikipedia entry, iWork does not have an e-mail client.
Nor do SoftMaker Office 2010 or Kingsoft Office 2010.)

Without a proper survey, we can probably only guess how many users expect
an e-mail cient in an office suite.
So I can only offer my opinion: the ability to interface with e-mail
clients would be a useful feature. Some users don't want to migrate to
another mail client just because it is included in the LibreOffice download,
but other users - I'm thinking of users new to office suites and e-mail -
may appreciate some handholding. If an e-mail client were integrated in the
LibreOffice download, I would like the option to exclude it from the
installation and have the office suite interface with my installed client
(assuming that it implements the necessary APIs).

I haven't mentioned forking an existing mail client; that's because I don't
consider it a good way to use TDF community resources.

Best regards,


  On 1/2/11 7:49 PM, Charles Marcus wrote:
On 2011-01-01 1:43 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:

Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent
program such as outlook.

Well, I disagree, but there is no way to prove one of us is right, so...

  There are one of three ways it can be done.
1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate
into the LO suite

Evolution is extremely buggy, *especially* on Windows, but yes, even on
*nix... Yes, there are many people who run it without problems, but
there are far more who complain of constant crashes and bugs, even on
the stablest of systems (otherwise)...

  2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena.
Thunderbird+Lightning would be the best other choice here...not perfect
by any stretch, but the only viable FLOSS alternative on Windows at the
moment, at least that I am aware of...

  the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size,
would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth.

Thunderbird+Lightning is not that big...

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