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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A better idea for a download package.


NoOp wrote:
On 11/30/2010 02:43 AM, plino wrote:
The point here is that OOo has a small installer with 140Mb (no Java, and
only English, Spanish and French dictionaries).
Why is LO going in the opposite direction with 299 and 466Mb???

The current packages (including in the smallest option 56 language packs!!!)
makes no sense IMO as I mentioned in this post
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-proposal-for-effective-volunteer-friendly-user-support-in-LibreOffice-tp1954148p1973749.html

I think that an English only version of LibreOffice and then separate
Language Packs (10-40Mb) which include the translation for the interface and
dictionaries, spelling, etc is the best option.


Actually the point that I was trying to make, but apparently you've
snipped all (including attribution as to who you were replying to) is this:

  Those that think including additional bits such as documentation in
any initial download need to consider the impact of both the user and
the download method.

The current download (as has been explained in other threads) is large
due to the added language add-on's. No worries, as the LO is still beta.
However my post was to remind others that downloading an application
such as LO is very much an issue. Whether the download be 100Mb or
300Mb, the result is large for dial-up users.

Another post indicated that dialup users are used to large downloads &
let them run overnight. Fair enough... but it's obvious that that poster
doesn't use dialup. It's analogous to assuming that all users have DVD
readers... I test multiple OS's, multiple open-source programs, and I
just checked; out of 10 systems that I have running, only 4 have DVD
readers, 2 have DVD r/w, and all exept one have floppy drives. BTW: I
live and work in "Silicon Valley".

My opinion is to *not* add documentation to the inital download. Instead
reduce the initial download as much as possible, and improve the Help
section to ensure it is correct, and to instruct and or point  a new
user additional documentation.
I simply MUST disagree for one simple reason, I just don't think that there should be one single take-it-or-leave-it download package! there must be a choice of packages, one without anything extra, and ALSO others with certain amounts of extras added. That way you could find a package that is right for your needs and your download capability.

NoOp, it sounds like a lot of your computers are almost antiques. I tossed the last of my floppy disks in the trash a couple of months ago. I am a retired system builder, and I now am down to just 2 computers, (from about a dozen at one point) my tower which I built, Athlon 64 bit dual core, SATA HD and DVD burner, and my Toshiba laptop, also Athlon 64 bit dual core, 320 gig HD and DVD burner.

I remember that optical disks started to replace floppies in about 1995 because Win-95 came either way. Win-98 was CD only. I will admit that DVD burners didn't become affordable until about 2005, but most of what I built in 2000 through 2004 had either a CD burner and a DVD read only, or from 2003 on combo drives, CD burn, DVD read only. But my point here is that 2004 and older machines are horribly obsolete today, and the vast majority of them have been scrapped! Also most of these old clunkers are only found in the more technologically advanced countries, because the 3rd world countries didn't start to get computers in any significant numbers until after the time of the old floppy based machines.
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