Re: LibO Install/Update ( was [tdf-discuss] Automatic Updates)

Le 2010-10-09 01:15, todd rme a écrit :
> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Marc Paré<marc@marcpare.com>  wrote:
> > > But it is important to keep in mind the distributions' own release
> > > policies.  Many distributions do not allow non-security-related
> > > updates over the course of a single release cycle.  This allows them
> > > to thoroughly test a given combination of software.  Having the
> > > distribution release one set of packages and having the foundation
> > > release another set may be confusing to users and will may prove to be
> > > a major annoyance to distributions which work hard to provide a
> > > coherent set of packages.
> > >
> > > I am not saying that such packages should not be released, my point is
> > > merely that we need to be mindful of the needs and limitations of the
> > > distribution maintainers, and not make life any more difficult for
> > > them than is absolutely necessary.  Just pushing out packages and
> > > telling users to download them is not a good strategy, in fact it is a
> > > really good way to turn distributions against you.  More thought, and
> > > a lot of discussion with those maintaining the distributions, will be
> > > needed in order to guarantee a mutually beneficial approach.  It may
> > > not be possible to completely please every party, but unilaterally
> > > bypassing the distributions entirely is not a good idea in my opinion.
> > >
> > > -Todd
> >
> > Yes, you are right. But in this case the service would be offered to them
> > and it would be up to the distros to either use it or not. Or the user of
> > that particular distro would then have the option of installing it if
> > wished.
>
> And if they refuse, would you still release the packages anyway?

I guess, if there were a dev who would be interested in testing it to 
see if there was an interest in this kind of setup. Yes, I would try it out.

> > This is what the KDE group offer. I got my updates to KDE4.5.0 from the K
> DE
> > site rather than wait for the Mandriva repos update, which of course are
> on
> > hold now. I just set up my package manager to point to the KDE repos for
> > Mandriva.
> >
> > This method seems to work well for the KDE group.
>
> KDE does not offer binaries as a rule.  There are Mandriva binaries on
> the KDE ftp server, but that is the only distribution that has
> binaries on the KDE server.  Further, I do not think that those are
> actually produced by KDE itself, KDE was simply nice enough to host
> them.  In fact several people, myself included, have suggested to KDE
> developers that they release official binaries and they refused,
> saying that it was the responsibility of the distributions to produce
> the binaries.
>
> -Todd

You are probably right there too. It wouldn't hurt though to try it and 
see what kind of response the LibO community got from such a service. 
Maybe from a dependencies point of view it would be too hard to manage 
still. IMHO, it would be nice if the LibO packages came out prepped for 
immediate installation/update for distros.

It sounds like you thought that it was a good idea for KDE updates too.

Marc







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