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Hi Thorsten,

just a few comments ... that may go on forever ;-)

Am Montag, den 04.10.2010, 23:10 +0200 schrieb Thorsten Behrens:
Christoph Noack wrote:
Ideally, I want QA folks to take notice if the Devs start debating
details of specific features, and conversely, I want Devs to take
notice of QA talking about specific "problem areas" in the product.
Same is true for a topic like UX (User Experience). You have to collect
material for UX, you have to discuss issues within UX, it is required to
kick-off activities from UX (e.g. collect tiny usability issues). But on
the other hand, it is extremely important to keep in touch with
development - to be consulted, to understand the other persons'
problems, ...

True - with the distinction that QA is affected by *every* bit of
development, whereas UX only comes into play for things UI-related.

Well, it depends on how much UX you want to do in a project. Some
cooperations incorporate UX also for API decisions to make sure that
those are most usable and understandable for developers (to state an
example). At the moment (and this is most appreciated), the developers
within the community care about that.

Currently, UX within OOo focuses (if anybody wants to listen to us *g*)
on the more visible things and the usefulness of features even before
they get implemented. I think/hope this won't change much (currently
there is no reason) for LibO.


(I could probably live with a bugs@tdf alias, where discussions is
purely about bugs, how to reproduce them, etc - but really, QA is 
much more than that)

My personal experience is, that the most efficient and effective work
has been done within the smaller i-Teams. For more complex features /
changes (I hope there will be some), this really helps to focus ... and
it helps to understand each other, because Documentation, QA,
Development, UX ... everyone is on board right from the start. So you
learn from each other - and if not, then something is really wrong.

So, more close Dev/QA cooperation = +1, an even closer cooperation for
complex development topics = ++1 ;-)


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