RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness

Yes there is an International Standard for OOXML.  I *suspect* that the
provision of two-different Save As ... cases is (1) for the Transitional
Standard OOXML which is the closest to what is acceptable by all Microsoft
Office applications that accept .docx, .xlsx, and .pptx, and (2) for Strict
Standard OOXML that is accepted only by Office 2010 and 2013 and can be
produced by 2013.  I have no idea how close the alignment of LibreOffice is
to those two flavors of Standard OOXML, which is a different question.
There are those who think that Transitional is somehow not truly OOXML, but
both are specified in the International Standard.  Microsoft Office also
takes advantage of the extension mechanism, MCE, that is provided in the
International Standard.  I don't know how that sorts out in the
interoperability between LibreOffice and Microsoft Office using OOXML.

The Wikipedia article is not bad.  However, there has been significant
maintenance of IS 29500:2008 and that has impacted the original separation
of Transitional and Strict by making them syntactically separate while
having considerable overlap in terms of function and semantics.  The current
edition of the International Standard for OOXML is IS 29500:2012.  There is
also an in-process amendment.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: lj [mailto:ljeloudev@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 15:38
To: Simon Phipps
Cc: Jonathan Aquilina; Boudi van Vlijmen; discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness

Isn't there a standard Office Open XML Document Format?
What is the difference between office open xml and standard microsoft docx
formats in LibreOffice and why does LibreOffice include both?
is there also a link where I can read about this... the only think I have
found useful is what open xml is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML






On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Simon Phipps <simon@webmink.com> wrote:

> I don't know anyone who uses Office so I'm afraid I can't answer. That's
> why I send PDFs - everyone can open those and see the same document.
>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > My question though Simon is how well is ODF formatting preserved when
> > opening up ODF formats in office 2010 and above on windows.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Simon Phipps [mailto:simon@webmink.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 4:11 PM
> > To: Boudi van Vlijmen
> > Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> > Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
> >
> > I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable documents
> > unless there's a real need for me to edit them. That way there's no risk
> > anyone will get locked-in to anything :-)
> >
> > If I *do* need to be able to edit I request Hybrid PDF files, which are
> > PDFs
> > with the original ODF source embedded. They are easy to make with
> > LibreOffice and I've created a tutorial here:
> > http://webmink.com/2012/05/07/making-hybrid-pdfs/
> >
> > S.
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Boudi van Vlijmen
> > <boudi@vanvlijmen.nl>wrote:
> >
> > > Friends,
> > >
> > > Every email I send has the footer as in this one.
> > >
> > > The purpose is to achieve;
> > >
> > >    1. Vendor-lock-in awarness
> > >    2. Hook in on the society learning curve status.
> > >
> > > The message is:
> > > ODT in place of DOC/DOCX,
> > > ODS in place of XLS/XLSX,
> > > ODP in place of PPT/PPTX.
> > >
> > > ODF is one bridge to far. People think in DOC, XLS and PPT. To get
> > > them away from that we should start from there. Not with a high level
> > > ODF concept!
> > >
> > > Met vriendelijke groet,
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Boudi van Vlijmen <http://www.vanvlijmen.nl>
> > >
> > >   *Werk documenten*
> > > ODT, gDoc, DOC, DOCX
> > > ODS, gSheet, XLS, XLSX
> > > en ODP, gSlides, PPT, PPTX
> > >  *Distributie en Archivering*
> > > PDF/A <http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A>
> > >
> > >
> > >   [image: Inline image 1]
> > >  [image: Inline image 1]
> > >   *Open standards or Open Wallets that is the question! Waak over uw
> > > onafhankelijkheid!
> > > *
> > > http://forumstandaardisatie.nl/
> > > Beleidsquote "Rijksdiensten moeten vanaf april 2008 ODF ondersteunen.
> > > Mede-overheden en overige instellingen volgen uiterlijk december 2008.
> > > ODF = .odt voor tekst, .ods voor spreadsheets, .odp voor presentaties"
> > > Vendor-lock
> > > safe formats <http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in>
> > >  http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument
> > > **
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