Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness

I agree. 
It might even be quicker to download from a website. 
Users wouldn't first of all have to have an account to download the software. 
And once it's installed it's ready to go to open most file formats including the best maintained 
ODF support from LO. 
One of the solutions, is by spreading the word to users from other users. If a company cannot 
provide open source standards than users can. If there are more open source users there would be 
less users using non open source software.  
It is open to the user to actually use the software for there own needs and requirements. 

Note: this will also be forwarded back to the discussion list. 
LJ. 

On 07/02/2013, at 8:56 PM, "Jonathan Aquilina" <eagles051387@gmail.com> wrote:

> If people can still download from a website then the app stores shouldn’t be a problem at this 
> stage.
>  
> From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljeloudev@gmail.com] 
> Sent: 07 February 2013 10:55
> To: Jonathan Aquilina
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
>  
> As a suggestion it might be that apple can not directly control open source software. 
> How is it not open source?
> http://www.opensource.apple.com/ 
> Have ODF file types skipped apples open source protocols for Mac OS X?
> And again it's that users have no knowledge of open alternatives and Microsoft and apple both 
> know this for the mac platform.
>
> On 07/02/2013, at 7:37 PM, "Jonathan Aquilina" <eagles051387@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Apple has nothing to do with it unless you are talking about releasing to
> ios then that is a whole other can of worms or even to the mac app store. It
> has something to do with the way mac has things setup which is in a way anti
> open source.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljeloudev@gmail.com] 
> Sent: 07 February 2013 09:34
> To: Jonathan Aquilina; Libreoffice Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
>
> I think the only way vendor lock in awareness can be achieved on the mac
> platform. 
> Would be for apple to acknowledge in there license agreement of document
> software that they do not support ODF formats. And a support documentation
> that lists a reason why and a discussion link as to what ODF formats are.
> Such as a the ODF foundation site. Where there could be a list of
> alternatives for ODF format software for mac users. 
> Or a similar solution to having a description similar to the exe file on the
> mac that states that it is a windows binary file with a link that is
> documentation that is then supported with a step process of alternative
> software.  
> That way users would be aware first of all. Decline apple and its vendor
> lock in process in the agreement and use an open alternative.  
>
> LJ
>
> On 07/02/2013, at 7:22 PM, "Jonathan Aquilina" <eagles051387@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Is there a newer version of office for mac as I am on 2011 and I admit
> that doesn't do it? Maybe if they have a newer version that I am not
> aware of that does do it.
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljeloudev@gmail.com]
> Sent: 07 February 2013 09:21
> To: Jonathan Aquilina
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
>  
> Not on the mac platform.
>  
> Sent from my iPad
>  
> On 07/02/2013, at 7:20 PM, "Jonathan Aquilina"
> <eagles051387@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>  
> Keep in mind that office 2010 and above supports odf formats and you
> have the choice to choose between Microsoft's proprietary formats or
> odf. When you run word for example for the first time it would ask
> you if you want to use xml formats or odf formats.
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljeloudev@gmail.com]
> Sent: 07 February 2013 09:14
> To: Jonathan Aquilina
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
>  
> Personally I could be mistaken,
> But many mac users that I know of do not use ODF formats at all,
> because it is not included in proprietary software that is for Mac OS X.
> There first instinct I believe is to go straight to the windows
> platform and convert the document and not install a new open source
> office suite that can open the file.
> Thus I believe the problem then stems even further.
> There is no real practical prompt suggestion, awareness marketing
> advertisement from apple or Microsoft that this file can be opened
> using another program on the same apple platform.
> Wether it be LO or not.
> I believe ODF formats for some mac users can be like opening an exe
> file on a mac platform. It is completely foreign to the user.
>  
> LJ.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On 07/02/2013, at 6:56 PM, "Jonathan Aquilina"
> <eagles051387@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>  
> What would be interesting to see with the comment about mac below.
> What are the current statistics of LO downloads for mac.
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljeloudev@gmail.com]
> Sent: 07 February 2013 08:03
> To: M. Fioretti; Libreoffice Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
>  
> ODF formats are still not implemented to a point where consumers can
> forget about what software they are using. And this is a concern for
> mac users, as there software is usually proprietary software and not
> software with ODF formats in it. The only program on the mac that
> can only open odt documents is text editor.
>  
> There is no default requirement for a user to explore an ODF formats
> program on the mac. They usually are swamped with proprietary
> software as being the only solution, and forget that ODF formats
> exist. As the odt format can be mistaken as a basic text document
> format and not a fully fledged document suite file type format on
> the
> mac.
>  
>  
> LJ
>  
> On 07/02/2013, at 12:21 AM, "M. Fioretti" <mfioretti@nexaima.net> wrote:
>  
> On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 20:17:49 PM +1100, Laurence Jeloudev wrote:
> The concept is a great idea.
>  
> But what if you encounter a person with a mac computer.
>  
> that's the whole point. Both of ODF in general, and, I assume, of
> Boudi. His signature is only about formats, it never mentions
> specific software programs.
>  
> THE reason for formats like ODF is to arrive as soon as possible to
> a point where you can ignore what software the others are using.
>  
> More on this topic:
>  
> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/focus_format_history
>  
> Marco
>  
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