RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness

To be clear, the OOXML File Format is the subject of an International
Standard, the same way that ODF is an International Standard.  (OOXML
started off in ECMA, ODF started off in OASIS.  Both are ISO Standards.)

So the specifications are open and freely available.  You can download them
for free.

In addition, Microsoft has provided its Open Specification Promise and other
declarations so that implementations of consumers and producers of the
format are not subject to any patent claims from Microsoft and it is not
necessary to obtain a license.  Sun did something similar for ODF.

The Microsoft Office *implementation* is not open source.  Likewise, the
built-in support of ODF in Microsoft Office is not open source.  The
standards for the formats are open.  Open-source implementations are not
required.

Support for OOXML in products like LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice, and in
the Apache POI Project, to name three, is open source -- they are open
source projects and the source code is available under open source licenses.
Just as support for ODF in LibO, AOO, and the ODF Toolkit is with
open-source code.

-----Original Message-----
From: lj [mailto:ljeloudev@gmail.com] 
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Subject: Fwd: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness

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From: lj <ljeloudev@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
To: "<dennis.hamilton@acm.org>" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>


Thank you for the explanation of OOXML.
But I am still confused.
To Clear Things Up I need to know if the OOXML File Format, is open
sourced... or proprietary?
(This was probably mentioned before...)
Then I would definitely have a clearer understanding.
Thanks,
LJ


On 08/02/2013, at 5:49 PM, "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
wrote:

> Yes there is an International Standard for OOXML.  I *suspect* that the
> provision of two-different Save As ... cases is (1) for the Transitional
> Standard OOXML which is the closest to what is acceptable by all Microsoft
> Office applications that accept .docx, .xlsx, and .pptx, and (2) for
Strict
> Standard OOXML that is accepted only by Office 2010 and 2013 and can be
> produced by 2013.  I have no idea how close the alignment of LibreOffice
is
> to those two flavors of Standard OOXML, which is a different question.
> There are those who think that Transitional is somehow not truly OOXML,
but
> both are specified in the International Standard.  Microsoft Office also
> takes advantage of the extension mechanism, MCE, that is provided in the
> International Standard.  I don't know how that sorts out in the
> interoperability between LibreOffice and Microsoft Office using OOXML.
>
> The Wikipedia article is not bad.  However, there has been significant
> maintenance of IS 29500:2008 and that has impacted the original separation
> of Transitional and Strict by making them syntactically separate while
> having considerable overlap in terms of function and semantics.  The
current
> edition of the International Standard for OOXML is IS 29500:2012.  There
is
> also an in-process amendment.
>
> - Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lj [mailto:ljeloudev@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 15:38
> To: Simon Phipps
> Cc: Jonathan Aquilina; Boudi van Vlijmen; discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
>
> Isn't there a standard Office Open XML Document Format?
> What is the difference between office open xml and standard microsoft docx
> formats in LibreOffice and why does LibreOffice include both?
> is there also a link where I can read about this... the only think I have
> found useful is what open xml is.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Simon Phipps <simon@webmink.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't know anyone who uses Office so I'm afraid I can't answer. That's
> > why I send PDFs - everyone can open those and see the same document.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > My question though Simon is how well is ODF formatting preserved when
> > > opening up ODF formats in office 2010 and above on windows.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Simon Phipps [mailto:simon@webmink.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 4:11 PM
> > > To: Boudi van Vlijmen
> > > Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> > > Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
> > >
> > > I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable documents
> > > unless there's a real need for me to edit them. That way there's no risk
> > > anyone will get locked-in to anything :-)
> > >
> > > If I *do* need to be able to edit I request Hybrid PDF files, which are
> > > PDFs
> > > with the original ODF source embedded. They are easy to make with
> > > LibreOffice and I've created a tutorial here:
> > > http://webmink.com/2012/05/07/making-hybrid-pdfs/
> > >
> > > S.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Boudi van Vlijmen
> > > <boudi@vanvlijmen.nl>wrote:
> > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > >
> > > > Every email I send has the footer as in this one.
> > > >
> > > > The purpose is to achieve;
> > > >
> > > >   1. Vendor-lock-in awarness
> > > >   2. Hook in on the society learning curve status.
> > > >
> > > > The message is:
> > > > ODT in place of DOC/DOCX,
> > > > ODS in place of XLS/XLSX,
> > > > ODP in place of PPT/PPTX.
> > > >
> > > > ODF is one bridge to far. People think in DOC, XLS and PPT. To get
> > > > them away from that we should start from there. Not with a high level
> > > > ODF concept!
> > > >
> > > > Met vriendelijke groet,
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > > Boudi van Vlijmen <http://www.vanvlijmen.nl>
> > > >
> > > >  *Werk documenten*
> > > > ODT, gDoc, DOC, DOCX
> > > > ODS, gSheet, XLS, XLSX
> > > > en ODP, gSlides, PPT, PPTX
> > > > *Distributie en Archivering*
> > > > PDF/A <http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  [image: Inline image 1]
> > > > [image: Inline image 1]
> > > >  *Open standards or Open Wallets that is the question! Waak over uw
> > > > onafhankelijkheid!
> > > > *
> > > > http://forumstandaardisatie.nl/
> > > > Beleidsquote "Rijksdiensten moeten vanaf april 2008 ODF ondersteunen.
> > > > Mede-overheden en overige instellingen volgen uiterlijk december 2008.
> > > > ODF = .odt voor tekst, .ods voor spreadsheets, .odp voor presentaties"
> > > > Vendor-lock
> > > > safe formats <http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in>
> > > > http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument
> > > > **
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