RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness

Apple has nothing to do with it unless you are talking about releasing to
ios then that is a whole other can of worms or even to the mac app store. It
has something to do with the way mac has things setup which is in a way anti
open source.

-----Original Message-----
From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljeloudev@gmail.com] 
Sent: 07 February 2013 09:34
To: Jonathan Aquilina; Libreoffice Discussion List
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness

I think the only way vendor lock in awareness can be achieved on the mac
platform. 
Would be for apple to acknowledge in there license agreement of document
software that they do not support ODF formats. And a support documentation
that lists a reason why and a discussion link as to what ODF formats are.
Such as a the ODF foundation site. Where there could be a list of
alternatives for ODF format software for mac users. 
Or a similar solution to having a description similar to the exe file on the
mac that states that it is a windows binary file with a link that is
documentation that is then supported with a step process of alternative
software.  
That way users would be aware first of all. Decline apple and its vendor
lock in process in the agreement and use an open alternative.  

LJ

On 07/02/2013, at 7:22 PM, "Jonathan Aquilina" <eagles051387@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Is there a newer version of office for mac as I am on 2011 and I admit 
> that doesn't do it? Maybe if they have a newer version that I am not 
> aware of that does do it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljeloudev@gmail.com]
> Sent: 07 February 2013 09:21
> To: Jonathan Aquilina
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
>
> Not on the mac platform. 
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 07/02/2013, at 7:20 PM, "Jonathan Aquilina" 
> <eagles051387@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Keep in mind that office 2010 and above supports odf formats and you 
> > have the choice to choose between Microsoft's proprietary formats or 
> > odf. When you run word for example for the first time it would ask 
> > you if you want to use xml formats or odf formats.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljeloudev@gmail.com]
> > Sent: 07 February 2013 09:14
> > To: Jonathan Aquilina
> > Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
> >
> > Personally I could be mistaken,
> > But many mac users that I know of do not use ODF formats at all, 
> > because it is not included in proprietary software that is for Mac OS X.
> > There first instinct I believe is to go straight to the windows 
> > platform and convert the document and not install a new open source 
> > office suite that can open the file.
> > Thus I believe the problem then stems even further.
> > There is no real practical prompt suggestion, awareness marketing 
> > advertisement from apple or Microsoft that this file can be opened 
> > using another program on the same apple platform.
> > Wether it be LO or not. 
> > I believe ODF formats for some mac users can be like opening an exe 
> > file on a mac platform. It is completely foreign to the user.
> >
> > LJ. 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 07/02/2013, at 6:56 PM, "Jonathan Aquilina" 
> > <eagles051387@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > What would be interesting to see with the comment about mac below. 
> > > What are the current statistics of LO downloads for mac.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljeloudev@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: 07 February 2013 08:03
> > > To: M. Fioretti; Libreoffice Discussion List
> > > Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
> > >
> > > ODF formats are still not implemented to a point where consumers can 
> > > forget about what software they are using. And this is a concern for 
> > > mac users, as there software is usually proprietary software and not 
> > > software with ODF formats in it. The only program on the mac that 
> > > can only open odt documents is text editor.
> > >
> > > There is no default requirement for a user to explore an ODF formats 
> > > program on the mac. They usually are swamped with proprietary 
> > > software as being the only solution, and forget that ODF formats 
> > > exist. As the odt format can be mistaken as a basic text document 
> > > format and not a fully fledged document suite file type format on 
> > > the
> mac.
> > > LJ
> > >
> > > On 07/02/2013, at 12:21 AM, "M. Fioretti" <mfioretti@nexaima.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 20:17:49 PM +1100, Laurence Jeloudev wrote:
> > > > > The concept is a great idea. 
> > > > >
> > > > > But what if you encounter a person with a mac computer.
> > > >
> > > > that's the whole point. Both of ODF in general, and, I assume, of 
> > > > Boudi. His signature is only about formats, it never mentions 
> > > > specific software programs.
> > > >
> > > > THE reason for formats like ODF is to arrive as soon as possible to 
> > > > a point where you can ignore what software the others are using.
> > > >
> > > > More on this topic:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/focus_format_history
> > > >
> > > > Marco
> > > >
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