Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

Simon Brouwer wrote:
> Op 9-6-2011 16:32, Simon Phipps schreef:
> > On 9 Jun 2011, at 12:12, Simon Brouwer wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Jim, all,
> > >
> > > Jim Jagielski schreef:
> > > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 8 Jun 2011, at 23:49, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Simon Brouwer wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Op 6-6-2011 11:37, toki schreef:
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> > > > > > > > On 05/06/2011 15:00, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > A formal, legal foundation. The ASF is a recognized 501(c)3, non-
> > > > > > > > TDF might not have 501(c)(3) status, but then consider that it is
> > > > > > > > incorporated in Germany, not the United States.
> > > > > > > That 501(c)(3) status aside, is TDF actually a legally established
> > > > > > > foundation (yet)?
> > > > > > I also think that 'independent' is also an adjective that belongs
> > > > > > there... being independent is quite important to a number
> > > > > > of FOSS ecosystem people...
> > > > > While that is clearly a true statement, you seem to be implying 
> > > > > that you
> > > > > don't think TDF is "independent".  Please can you explain what you 
> > > > > mean?
> > > > People may just be curious about TDF being "backed" by“Freies Office
> > > > Deutschland
> > > > e.V.” as well as an associated project in Software in the Public 
> > > > Interest
> > > > (SPI).
> > > > What does being "backed" by them mean? How independent is it from 
> > > > these
> > > > 2 entitied? Just questions like that.
> > > >
> > > > Certainly being an independent, legally established foundation is
> > > > critical, isn't it, as compare to one which is "just" a legally
> > > > established one?
> > > But is it even "just" a legally established foundation? AFAIK, TDF unto
> > > this day does not exist as a legal entity.
> > While that's pedantically
> thank you...
> > correct, TDF appears to currently be an initiative of a perfectly 
> > adequate non-profit legal entity and as such I have no problems with 
> > its existence or independence.
> I have no problems with its existence or independence either.
>
> Anyway, I think it is high time that TDF be made a foundation proper. 
> Suppose Oracle had considered donating the OpenOffice.org trademarks 
> and copyrights to TDF. How could it be the recipient of such a 
> donation if it didn't exist as a legal entity?
+1

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