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I think we also need to examine some of the reasons behind the reluctance. I've made this particular point before, but I don't think its significance has been accepted by the OOo/LibO community.

It's hardly possible to use LibO seriously without soon running into a serious bug. I'm sure we all have our own pet problems and have found a way around them or have simply accepted them. The difficult is that for the 'normal' end user, the support cost of just one of those incidents is likely to exceed the MSO licence cost. Similar kinds of problems do of course occur with MSO, but my experience in a very large international where I was in a place to see the problems is that they are very very much rarer. Until we put our house in order and deliver a product free of the majority of bugs, for most pragmatists the obvious simplest and cheapest solution is bound to remain MSO. Thus, whatever the protests and lobbying, the bureaucracy will find a way of justifying that choice. From my observations, the quality of OOo has in practice been getting worse rather than better with each succeeding release. It's too early to say for LibO, but I do not see that concentrated determination to address the totality of bugs which would be necessary to make things right.


On 05/04/2011 11:22, Kürti László wrote:

I was asking the European members personally! to take something against it.
We here in Hungary spent the last 5 years with lobbying for only to let the FLOSS into the public 
sector. Earlier it was not possible. We had some positive results 'cause we could refer the EU 
But if the EC don't give ...t what can I say?
I tell you, nothing!
And really all the national governments will be more than happy to find an excuse not to do 
anything for interoperability, for standardization and for freedom.

If we?, you? (TDF) have the will and members stand behind this case than we have a chance.

Yes we must act an intelligent way but first of all we must act.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles-H. Schulz"<>
Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 11:16:58 AM
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences,      Please make your 
action today against it.

Hello Laszlo,

Le Tue, 5 Apr 2011 09:42:10 +0200 (CEST),
Kürti László<>  a écrit :

Hi All,

Sorry for this off topic but this is serious

If this come true than we (LibreOffice an other FLOSS products) will
be down and out, buried by dust for ever, governments do not need
better excuse than this.

Please make your action today:
blog about, send a mail to your member of EP, tell the local media

I would not be as pessimistic as you are, the EC is unfortunately a
MS shop, but there is certainly ground to protest; I'd suggest you use
other, more focused initiatives than this list to take action:



Kürti László
Open SKM Agency Kft.
1024 Budapest Kút u. 5

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