Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

OOo and LibO already do read those formats -- it's only the capability to write them that's an 
issue. The Go-OO version and its derivatives, and as a consequence now LibO, write them, and 
objecting to that is what started this whole (enormous) thread. The standard as written already 
deprecates the use of the Transitional "standard" for new documents; MS, and LibO etc., really 
shouldn't do it. Do you have information that the "Strict" form will still include proprietary hooks?

On 1/1/2011 4:56 PM, Jaime R. Garza wrote:
> Well, we need to be able to import those transitional OOXML (2007-2010)
> formats. If we can save to them, is not really necessary, (since MS office
> suites 2007&  2010 support MS-Office 2003 FF too), but is a nice to have
> feature. The real ISO OOXML will be implemented by MS first on MS Office
> 2014. By them LibreOffice must be able to import and export that
> format. They will depreciate the old format MS-Office FF when they finally
> implement the ISO OOXML, which is not a complete open format since it still
> has a lot of proprietary hooks, but at least the base is openly specified.
>
> Even though I think it would be nice to be able to export to the
> transitional formats too, I agree that it a pain in the a.... But that's how
> MS is playing with the Open Standards and we have to win them in their own
> game.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Jaime R. Garza
>
> On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 23:29, Barbara Duprey<Barb@onr.com>  wrote:
> > I don't think anybody is saying LibO should drop .doc export -- just not
> > try to export to the OOXML "Transitional" formats. In theory, MS will go to
> > OOXML "Strict" in the 2014 (or whenever) release, and that should by then be
> > a truly open format, if the comments submitted to the standards committee
> > are properly worked off. Meanwhile, exporting to the "Transitional" form for
> > new documents is specifically deprecated in the ISO standard; doing that
> > really plays into a possible MS strategy to continue to ignore the "Strict"
> > version forever, maintaining the proprietary lock-in while claiming to be
> > open.
> >
> > Several of the comments here suggest a middle road, allowing the save but
> > with a message clarifying the limitations of the format (and perhaps
> > recommending use of the XP formats if interoperating with an MS-only shop;
> > their ODF support is not truly interoperable at a reasonable level, the
> > older formats come closer). That seems reasonable, at least for editing
> > documents that are received in these formats -- I'm not convinced it should
> > be allowed for new work, though. At the least, the SaveAs dialog should
> > label the format using the word Transitional. It probably makes sense to
> > start working towards OOXML "Strict" export as soon as that is a reasonably
> > stationary target, though. Wouldn't it be great if LibO were the first
> > implementation compliant with the ISO standard? And if the other FOSS
> > implementations also headed there, we could beat MS at their own game!
> >
> >
> >   It must be arrogant for them to send you a format you don't support.
> > > > > Also, if the Win 7 users don't know what format the documents are in,
> > > > > why does it matter if it's returned to them in a .doc format?
> > > > Think you hit the nail on the head, pal.
> > > > Those who ignore any notion of a file format, will do it both ways,
> > > > always, anyways...
> > > >
> > > >   Office on-the-web only saves in docx.  Office 2013/4 will quite possibly
> > > drop .doc export,
> > > just as Word 6/95 export was dropped from Word 2003 - after a failed
> > > attempt to drop it
> > > from 2000.  MS can do this because they are the market leader.  To fail to
> > > offer even
> > > rudimentary docx export would damage LibO's market penetration.
> > >
> > > my thoughts anyway!
> > >
> > > zf
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