[tdf-discuss] Re: TDF/LO on a wrong way?

Le 2010-12-14 08:35, Alexander Thurgood a écrit :
> Hi Johannes,
>
> Le 14/12/10 13:52, Johannes A. Bodwing a écrit :
>
> Interesting comments and very praiseworthy intentions, but ...
>
> > So many things are done different in many goups. That costs energy and
> > time and at least motivation. But there are many things that could be
> > done together. Like a common Home-Site or the exchange of articles for
> > LO-Magazins and so on.
>
> Perhaps the reasons why this is so are deeply seated in each group's
> national and cultural identity
>
>
> > Where is the common and worldwide frame for the TDF/LO-Project? And
> > where is the structure and organization to find (website?)?
> > Or - how can we build it together?
>
> I feel that the more appropriate question should be : where is the
> Foundation, and what are its values ? As yet, and to my knowledge, the
> Foundation still has no legal identity, without firm governance. As has
> been shown on various discussion lists, this has lead to rather a large
> amount of e-mail exchange without any real possibility to decide and
> execute concrete actions by the members of the Community at large. If
> you want to federate everyone under a single hat, then the hat has to
> actually physically exist in the first place, and someone has to be
> wearing it.
>
> As an example, take the case for the web site development platform. Not
> only are there still questions as to which website platform we are going
> to be using, but also we have a fledlging website which, as you rightly
> say, is a hotchpotch of individual contributions by each of the NL
> groups. People are not going to sit still and twiddle their thumbs
> whilst waiting for the pseudo-main site to come online, so naturally
> have gone about doing their own thing within their own groups. That is
> not IMHO necessarily a bad thing : most NL group members know what works
> and what doesn't for their target group, yet by the same token, this
> leads to an overall impression for the whole of the project as being
> somewhat disparate and incoherent, especially given the lack of an
> official "centralising" power.

I think that most are under the impression, as I, that the Silverstripe 
will be migrated to the final Drupal website within the next 6 months as 
detailed in the SC declaration. You may also review Michael Wheatlands 
notes on this here: 
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.website/145

As well as the SC notes on their decisions here to the website list: 
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.website/592

You may see the list of volunteers and proposed tasks here: 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Tasks_and_volunteers . Also 
feel free to join the list of volunteers on this wiki page. You may also 
volunteer to help on a specific module here: 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Drupal_Strategy

> Again, that might not necessarily be a bad thing with regard to certain
> audience targets, but IMHO it will affect the opinion of the corporate
> sector. Corporations don't like external mess when they address an
> outside project, they have enough of their own to deal with internally,
> without wishing to bother with why, for a given product, the
> corresponding website looks different in English to that in Spanish,
> German, French or Chinese, say. That can be particularly unsettling. On
> the other hand, informal users are probably quite happy that they can go
> to their own language part of the site and find things presented in way
> they understand or can relate to. It all boils down to your target
> audience. Target companies, and you need coherency, consistency and
> reliability, both in operation and appearance. Don't get me wrong here,
> you can still tailor content to individual cultures even in this case,
> but it has to conform to the corporate way of looking at things. Target
> individuals, you can tailor your content and organisational structure
> and operations to please that group of individuals.


Many of these concerns may be answered by reading through the Drupal 
sites wiki pages here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Drupal

Feel free to comment or give feedback on any of these points.

> One way or the other, a decision will have to be made. If such a
> decision has been made, I can not yet see it filtering down through the
> bazaar. I don't need a cathedral, but a roof over my head would be nice ;-)
>
>
>
> Alex

Cheers

Marc
Drupal Web Dev. Team Member


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