On 05/11/10 11.57, Gianluca Turconi wrote:
And, by saying the truth, why a TDF certification program should be
better than a hypothetical "IBM LIbO certified professional" label, in a
The problem is not the quality of the certification program.
Vendors have their own certification programs to their specific
advantage, and this would neither bring money to the community nor
liberate the community from a single vendor lock in (certification is
key for Microsoft lock in).
In addition, the free software community lacks the experience to build a
certification program (industry certification, similar to Microsoft,
Adobe, etcetera), and the Sun history shows that free software vendors -
with several exceptions (RedHat, MySQL prior to Sun, others) - miss the
point (I have had many talks with Sun marketing about this issue but I
have not found a single person able to understand).
I'm surely missing something, but *as far as what I've read in this list
is concerned*, this foundation is starting to appear like an empty box:
few needs to exist and even less powers.
At the moment, and judging from outside, this perception is absolutely
true (and, believe me, we are working hard to dispel this perception,
but each one of us has to deal with a daily job and it is not easy).
Please, get me right, I'm really trying to understand, because I've read
several different opinions from TDF founders and I know a consensus has
still to be found about this matter.
> However, the vehemence of some voices let me think that a majority may
already exist in your group, although there hasn't been a vote yet.
Or, at least, that any decision different from the opinion expressed,
for example, by Michael Meeks, may cause more problems than anything
else during the foundation start-up phase, independently of the fair
evaluation of the alternatives.
Again, another right perception.
Unfortunately, building agreement and consensus is a process, especially
when you have different minds to put together.
Anyway, Michael is young and energetic and very passionate. I am quite
old but equally energetic, even if I am less passionate on the subject
of CA (just because I cannot understand where is the trick for users
like me, as I see advantages for developers on one side and for
corporations on the other).
In any case, I would not connect the existence of the foundation to the
presence of a CA, as this represents only the position of people who
believe that free software can live only with corporate money.
Of course, I understand the position as there are many people who want
to make their living "selling" consultancy to corporations who do not
understand free software but need to be involved in it.
Quite simply, TDF is not going to provide additional ground for sales to
these individuals, because we do not believe that corporate sponsors (as
they have been involved in free software project so far) add value to
Yes, it is going to be damn difficult to fund a project as big as TDF
(believe me, after 30 years as a top manager or a consultant for large
IT companies such as IBM, Dell, Compaq, 3Com, Adobe, and the likes, I
have some experience, and I understand the business) but we must build a
different business model (this is not going to be a carbon copy of the
OOo project, and LibreOffice - as it is today - is not what we see as
the future of the office suite).
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