Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

On 10/19/2010 10:55 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
> On 2010/10/19 10:06 AM Jon Hamkins wrote:
> > On 10/19/2010 12:52 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
> >
> > > Currently, to use Gmane you need to be subscribed to both it
> > > *and* the TDF lists which completely defeats the purpose of the
> > > Gmane interface.
> >
> > I agree, having to sign up in two places is inconvenient, and it
> > shouldn't be that way, but it doesn't defeat the purpose of the gmane
> > interface.
>
> Wrong
>
> > The purpose is to be able to read and write messages on a web forum,
>
> Wrong. The purpose of gmane is to receive and write messages with a
> newsreader rather than an email client.

Oh, please.

1. This purpose is *also* not defeated by having to be subscribed to the 
mailing list.

2. Gmane offers more than NNTP, it has a web interface too.  Here it is, 
for your convenience (it's on the TDF contribute page):

http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss

The first method mentioned for reading the archive is *on the web*. 
Whether one chooses to read from the web or as a newsgroup via NNTP is 
beside the point.  My point was that the service offered by gmane is not 
defeated by having to subscribe to the mailing list.  One can still 
read/write messages with gmane (NNTP, HTTP, or RSS), and not get them by 
SMTP.

In fact, for many people, if they read via NNTP, they are still using 
their mail client.  Thunderbird, Outlook Express, etc. are mail clients 
that have built-in newsreading capabilities (and RSS for that matter).

 If you do not know what a
> newsreader or usenet or News Servers (NNTP) are try a search with Google.

I have been using usenet since the late 1980's (such folks seem to quote 
properly, eh? :) ).  Unfortunately, most of usenet is dying these days, 
with major ISPs dropping their servers, and a significant amount of the 
traffic is spam and piracy related.  I just use my email client for 
mailing lists, so don't point to the gmane news server.

> > > NB Gmane already insists that you can't send messages via it without
> > > being
> > > subscribed to it. This instantly kills the "spam prevention" argument
> > > that I
> > > have seen put forward.
> >
> > I am philosophically opposed to someone being able to post a message
> > to everyone on a mailing list, but then insist on not being reachable
> > by email himself.
>
> Every post through gmane includes the posters email address. I am
> posting this through gmane. Check the headers.
>
> > If you want to send email, you should be willing to receive it. If you
> > want to avoid spam, use a throw-away account or a spam filter.
>
> Totally irrelevant statement. Learn how gmane works. Using gname has
> nothing to do with spam.

I'm sorry, I think I misunderstood Harold's spam comment.  At least one 
person had said they wanted the mailing list/gmane to not show their 
full email address, because they didn't want it harvested by spam 
crawlers.  I'm opposed to that kind of email hiding.  Rereading now, I 
see Harold was making a different point, with which I have no problem.

     ----Jon

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