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On 10/19/2010 10:55 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote:

On 2010/10/19 10:06 AM Jon Hamkins wrote:
On 10/19/2010 12:52 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote:

Currently, to use Gmane you need to be subscribed to both it
*and* the TDF lists which completely defeats the purpose of the
Gmane interface.

I agree, having to sign up in two places is inconvenient, and it
shouldn't be that way, but it doesn't defeat the purpose of the gmane


The purpose is to be able to read and write messages on a web forum,

Wrong. The purpose of gmane is to receive and write messages with a
newsreader rather than an email client.

Oh, please.

1. This purpose is *also* not defeated by having to be subscribed to the mailing list.

2. Gmane offers more than NNTP, it has a web interface too. Here it is, for your convenience (it's on the TDF contribute page):

The first method mentioned for reading the archive is *on the web*. Whether one chooses to read from the web or as a newsgroup via NNTP is beside the point. My point was that the service offered by gmane is not defeated by having to subscribe to the mailing list. One can still read/write messages with gmane (NNTP, HTTP, or RSS), and not get them by SMTP.

In fact, for many people, if they read via NNTP, they are still using their mail client. Thunderbird, Outlook Express, etc. are mail clients that have built-in newsreading capabilities (and RSS for that matter).

 If you do not know what a
newsreader or usenet or News Servers (NNTP) are try a search with Google.

I have been using usenet since the late 1980's (such folks seem to quote properly, eh? :) ). Unfortunately, most of usenet is dying these days, with major ISPs dropping their servers, and a significant amount of the traffic is spam and piracy related. I just use my email client for mailing lists, so don't point to the gmane news server.

NB Gmane already insists that you can't send messages via it without
subscribed to it. This instantly kills the "spam prevention" argument
that I
have seen put forward.

I am philosophically opposed to someone being able to post a message
to everyone on a mailing list, but then insist on not being reachable
by email himself.

Every post through gmane includes the posters email address. I am
posting this through gmane. Check the headers.

If you want to send email, you should be willing to receive it. If you
want to avoid spam, use a throw-away account or a spam filter.

Totally irrelevant statement. Learn how gmane works. Using gname has
nothing to do with spam.

I'm sorry, I think I misunderstood Harold's spam comment. At least one person had said they wanted the mailing list/gmane to not show their full email address, because they didn't want it harvested by spam crawlers. I'm opposed to that kind of email hiding. Rereading now, I see Harold was making a different point, with which I have no problem.


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