Re: LibO Install/Update ( was [tdf-discuss] Automatic Updates)

Hi Todd, Scott, 
Am Sun, 10 Oct 2010 00:48:23 -0400 schrieb todd rme:
> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Marc Paré <marc@marcpare.com> wrote:
> > Le 2010-10-09 16:50, Scott Furry a écrit :
> > > On 09/10/10 02:11 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > > I agree, direction from the whole community on this, now that we have
> > > > hashed it out a bit, would give clearer direction of expectations.
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > > This could then be put to the community as a new thread and the
> > > > results could be monitored/taken into note for the future planning of
> > > > the LibO method of updates from the dev team.
> > > >
> > > > Marc
> > >
> > > Mark,
> > > I like you rewrite. I can work with that, mind if I 'borrow it?' ;-)
> > >
> > > I'll post a new thread shortly.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Scott Furry
> >
> > No problem. That is what we are here for. :-)
> >
> > Marc
>
>
> There is another, somewhat independent issue that has occurred to me.
> What about how the components are split up?  The issues are somewhat
> different for windows and mac than they are for linux.
>
> For windows and mac, if someone, for instance, only wants a database
> program, should they have to download the entire program suite just to
> install that one program?  There are a couple possible solutions to
> this (in addition to the status quo).  One is that we supply the
> current all-inclusive installer, as well as a separate installers for
> the individual parts.

I don't  know how modular OOo or LibO are at this point but for a 
quite some time it was and still is known to me that the core of 
LibO/OOo is the biggest part of the Office and the "stand alone" 
app would require to download this core and its own modules meaning 
that if you install say Draw, Writer and Impress you would have to 
install the core three times plus three times additional module 
specific additions and therefore you need more disk space in the 
end then you will save by not installing a monolith OOo. 

So I see two tasks here.

Task 1: Make OOo less monolith so that you can have small stand 
alone applications

Task 2: Find a proper way to distribute and install them. 


 
> An alternative is that we provide an online installer, where you
> download a small program, tell it what you want to install, and it
> retrieves those bits and installs them.  This also has the advantage
> that the actual download the user has to worry about deleting later is
> very small, the rest of the downloads would be stored in a temporary
> directory that would be automatically deleted later.

Very bad idea. I know a lot of end-users that are quite frustrated 
by the fact that they don't own the application they bought on a 
physical medium and have to re download it time and time again and 
that sometimes the company even tells them that they reached their 
maximum download and/or activations and that they now have to call 
this number or even send their bill to certify they bought the 
software. I know that we don't have those behavior but we would 
make the user believe that we are no better than the big money 
companies. 

In addition I know that most of us are used to fast internet 
connections with a lots of bandwidth but this isn't the case when 
you go out into the wild even here in germany are lots of places 
were DSL 1000 is the fastest you can get and try to install an 
whole office only via the net if you are on such a machine. You 
want the whole package which you download at your company, ask a 
friend to download and burn on a CD or give it to you on an usb 
stick. 

Also think of the older computers out there very slow to install 
applications and even though they are capable of going online 
installing e.g. the new Acrobat reader on such an older computer 
takes its while. I just had to deal with this and now it wasn't an 
option to use a free PDF reader because the form that needed to 
fill out was only shown and capable of being filled out correct in 
Adobe Reader. 

Eric

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