Re: [tdf-moderators] Re: re. Invitation: Dear God,s Select,

Hi :)
Thanks, that does make sense.  


We just have to spot the message on the appropriate list. 

Regards from 
Tom :)  





> ________________________________
> From: Christian Lohmaier <lohmaier@googlemail.com>
> To: anne-ology <laginnis@gmail.com> 
> Cc: Sigrid Carrera <sigrid.carrera@gmail.com>; moderators <moderators@documentfoundation.org> 
> Sent: Thursday, 16 May 2013, 10:15
> Subject: Re: [tdf-moderators] Re: re. Invitation: Dear God,s Select,
>
>
> Hi Anne, *,
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:17 PM, anne-ology <laginnis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >         I do that for a very simple reason;
> >             so all of this group is aware of what's happening.
>
> As the explanation that follows is rather longish, here the short-form:
> the decision whether a mail is spam or legitimate is fast, moderators
> know immediately whether to let it pass or ignore it. Replying to
> moderate it is fast as well. Much faster than reading an additional
> mail, so any notices about what actions one moderator did take are not
> needed.
>
> But here's the long version about why letting the group know "what's
> happening" doesn't make sense. There are a total of 3 cases, and in
> neither a forwarded mail makes sense.
>
> 1) you let the mail pass to the list
>    → moderators will see the mail on the list → that is their
> notification that they don't need to take action (even if they do,
> nothing happens, the mail won't be delivered twice to the list)
>
> 2) you don't let the mail pass because it is obvious spam
>     → other moderators will also know this is spam and not let them
> pass. Sending a note "this is spam" is telling the other moderators:
> "I don't think you're smart enough to tell that this is a spam
> message". So no benefit here.
>
> 3) you explicitly reject the message because it is not-so-obvious-spam
> or because it contains flames/hatred/whatever
>     → no matter what moderators think of it, you already made the
> decision. Whether moderators ignore it or reply to it to let it pass,
> it doesn't have any effect. A note won't really help.
>
> People get moderation requests immediately, and any note you sent will
> be only with a delay. So the chances that moderators already have read
> & parsed & made their decision whether to let it pass or ignore before
> reading any of your notes.
>
> The only case when it makes sense to send notification to other
> moderators is when you reject a mail with the intend to contact the
> author of the rejected mail on why it was rejected ("I'll let the
> poster know that his mail contained private data, and the poster might
> not be aware that this info will be public in various archives"). I.e.
> when you reject (and then it must be a reject, and not just ignore to
> let it expire) a "legitimate" mail (no spam or similar).
>
> Remember:
> Moderator's job as in "technical mailinglist administrator" is to let
> mails through to the list from people that are not subscribed.
>
> It happens that also spam is sent to the list-address, that obviously
> should not be passed. moderator's job is not to replace a spam-filter
> (there already are spam filters before it even gets handed over to the
> mailing list system) - but rather to let valid postings through.
> Ignoring the spam is just a side-effect.
>
> Of course it depends on the type of list whether on what the ratio of
> spam to legitimate messges is (announce lists have more "spam", as
> real people using it is low, etc)
>
> And there are of course other meanings of moderator, but those are
> unrelated to a "technical mailing-list moderator" as is the topic
> here. If you have spare cycles, you can moderate the list itself in
> the sense of acting as a mediator, take care that the tone on the
> lists stays friendly, and similar - but this then happens on the list
> itself or by private mails to the people involved in the discussion on
> the list and does not affect the other "technical mailinglist
> moderators" :-)
>
> ciao
> Christian
>
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