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Ljelly,


I still don't know if the dev mailing list would be the right place,
because a discussion is just that, a discussion, and it seems you have a
whole set of ideas and requirements. Did I get it right? What I would
suggest is this; if you have requirements, you can write specs on the wiki
or generally outline what would be needed. Then point to the wiki page you
have edited to the dev mailing list, and see if you could have developers
getting interested in this.

Hope this helps,

Charles.

2012/7/15 lj <ljeloudev@gmail.com>

In response to Charles:

I am proposing a future set of ideas for discussion about libreoffice and
it's referencing system as I believe it is not very good at the moment
compared to other software open source proprietary in the way that
companies create referencing systems.

ljelly.

On Friday, 13 July 2012, Fabian Rodriguez wrote:


On 07/12/2012 08:03 PM, lj wrote:
If this is is in the wrong place please notify immediately of where I
can
post this in the right spot! [...]

I have a few questions to ask about bibliographic referencing in
Libreoffice: (some of these questions and statements are obvious and
easy
to answer others may not be relevant.
Please reply with reasons and answers for disscussion about the
referencing
system [...]:
This statement summarizes it best IMO:
[The] bibliography referencing in Libreoffice, is
vastly minimal but then is complex to use the referencing system and to
follow the direct steps!
In my dealings with a few customers I've helped with LibreOffice, they
have moved to Zotero, a free, open source system to easily gather, share
and use bibliography references. I am not expert with Zotero, but have
explored it to determine how it works and what is needed. One important
problem is you can't reproduce the current sharing/social/public web
part of the service at zotero.org, but everything else is free, open
source software.

3. compatability does not work between Microsoft Office and Libreoffice
with the usage of both referencing systems from either word or
libreoffice,
features are excluded or do not work. (I can ellaborate on these if
needed
to be posted)
What I've observed is that once users decide to go for LibreOffice, they
will want to convert to other free,open source software (like Zotero).
Using both operating systems/applications on either interchangeably
becomes impractical very quickly. Keep in mind it's rather difficult to
influence important changes/bug fixes in non-free, non-open source
software, so it's  a waste of time going that route (in my opinion!). I
am very biaised about this, though, I encourage you to ask more
questions and make your own opinion.


4. Recent versions of Microsoft Office since 2007 have tried to create
uncomplex versions of referencing and bibliographic citations. These
systems work, but are still limited.
OneNote seems very popular. Keep in mind Microsoft is a business and
will do everything it can to make it easy/pleasant/profitable to stay
with Microsoft Office. Such a system won't exist in LibreOffice in the
short or even long term specially when specialized 3rd party
alternatives like Zotero exist and speciall when core functionality in
LibreOffice is not feature-complete/bug-free yet. Someone / some
organization would need to be very motivated and have good resources to
attempt this.

5. LO should create a new referencing system.
See above.


Questions about referencing in LO: Not in any order.
[..]

I lack the time to answer more, hopefully someone else can jump in and
help here.

Cheers,

Fabian Rodriguez
http://libreoffice.magicfab.ca




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