Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

Don Harbison
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Simon Phipps <simon@webmink.com> wrote on 06/08/2011 07:55:02 PM:

> From: Simon Phipps <simon@webmink.com>
> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Date: 06/08/2011 07:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join 
ApacheOpenOffice
> On 9 Jun 2011, at 00:43, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>
> > On Jun 8, 2011, at 6:32 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
> > > > Certainly being an independent, legally established foundation is
> > > > critical, isn't it, as compare to one which is "just" a legally
> > > > established one? Not saying that TDF isn't at all, but the
> > > > 'independent' part is important.
> > >
> > > Not really hugely important, as long as everything is open to 
> scrutiny and beyond the control of any interested party - 
> transparency is the key, just like it is at Apache. Any organisation
> can be gamed - it's a function of having rules, since "every system 
> of rules contains within it the game that plays it and ultimately 
> subverts it"[1]. But it will indeed be good when TDF is able to 
> complete the bootstrap process so the innuendo can stop.
> > Agreed... the only reason I mention "independent" is that even
> > a clearly independent foundation such as the ASF has been alluded
> > to be in cahoots with IBM/Oracle regarding all this, so I'm sure
> > that TDF will get the same amount of scrutiny and baseless
> > claims, and being able to point to their independence will nip
> > that in the bud.
>
> I'm always amused when Apache is accused of collaborating with any 
> corporate entity - it's obviously almost impossible for that happen.
> The problem is not collaboration; it's gameability, and all rule-
> based and transparent entities eventually suffer from it once they 
> are fully understood by those most likely to benefit from doing so. 

Is there something useful to be said here? If so, what is it? 
Non-sequitur?
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