Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

Hi Gary,

NoOp wrote (07-06-11 03:05)

> 2. @TDF: More importantly (from my POV) - what, if any, affect will this
> have on TDF/LO if OOo 'dies in Apache'?

It has become clear to me the last week or so, that there is a close to 
fundamental difference in the approach by IBM. This has been reflected 
in the past, has become my understanding these weeks too (bit late, well 
bit naive to sometimes) in the way they were present (...) in the old 
OOo project.
Now of course they want to gather as much support as possible around the 
Apache OOo project.
Just as we would like to see as much as possible support around 
LibreOffice. If Apache OOo comes off the ground, at a certain point 
people will start to find the rationale - despite the existing 
differences - to some practical cooperation.
So if OOo would die in Apache - would be a pity - that last exercise 
could be skipped. And people would natural start to work more in TDF. 
But I am well aware that there are still people disappointed or 
frustrated by the way TDF/LibreOffice started. Be it because they feel 
ignored (it simply  was impossible to get all people involved at that 
stage) or because they were not so popular in the community, or because 
they felt our step was unfair in relation to all the good work that the 
main sponsor did over the last years, or because .. Though I have 
different thoughts on some of the issues, I can well understand most of 
the feelings and expect that at least part of those will not likely join 
with LibreOffice.
And then of course there is IBM. In any case for the license part TDF 
tried as much as possible to cater for them with MPL. So that might help 
for a pragmatic outcome. This all in the if scenario.

> Apologies if this may have already been asked&  answered. If so, can
> someone point me to the appropriate messages within the hundreds of posts
> &  many, many threads on the ASF incubator list, or on this list?

Well, as much letters I spend on the if-subject above, so little

Would take me some time to dig the indeed already impressive archives on 
this subject, to be able to point you to the answers that will not help 
you much further than the words I spend on this 'if-subject' above
and than your own imagination. It is my experience in the discussions 
there that fundamental questions on the why and how of the situation are 
ignored or circumvented, which is fair enough understandable since it is 
not really what the podling in Apache is about, or even fed with FUD, 
which is less palatable IMO.

HTH a bit,
Regards

Cor
 (who realises that there are still some use case questions pending
  that we together worked on few weeks ago :-\ )


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