Re: [tdf-discuss] accessibility mailing list

Hi Friedrich,

2010/11/29 Friedrich Strohmaier <damokles4-listen@bits-fritz.de>

> Hi Florian, *,
>
> might be I don't understand "accesibility" well..

yes, perhaps.
Accessibility refers to people who have some disabilities, like bad
eyesight, so you need a screen reader to learn about the content of a
website or a document.


> Florian Effenberger schrieb:
> > Christoph Noack wrote on 2010-11-28 13.08:
>
> > > Sorry to ask - but who asked? :-) It is a great sign, since this
> > > topic is very important and requires quite some experience. In the
> > > past, I felt very safe with Éric Savary covering this task for OOo
> > > and OOO.
>
> > > It would be great to know who might take care :-)
>
> > someone from the audience at LinuxDay Dornbirn talked to me about our
> > accesibility plans. She was disabled herself, and proposed a separate
> > list with lower mail volume, where developers and people in need of
> > accessibility could exchange themselves.
>
> not a good idea from my point of view because ..
>
> > Of course, this only makes sense when we have someone taking care of
> > this - that's why I share this idea. :-)
>
> A mailinglist with bad balance of giving <-> gaining for *all* members
> won't work well and this is, what I expect here.

I can see the merit of having a mailing list just for those users.

I remember one person with disabilities on the german users list - it was
difficult following what she was writing and a lot of users, who did not
know about her issues got really upset at her and reacted sometimes a bit
too harsh... to avoid something like this, I would vote for a separate
mailinglist.

If such a person has a general usage question, than someone of the
recipients can ask on the regular mailinglist, if s/he doesn't know the
answer.


> [..]
>
> > I guess the main concern is, that especially for people in need of
>                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^
> > accessibility,
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> does this mean they need support for reason of lacking accessibility
> efficience or does that mean, they are interested in getting involved in
> development for making that better.

Ideally it would mean, that they are interested in making LibO better. They
could for example tell the developers, which tools they use (I don't know
about that stuff and the dev's probably too) and can give some hints, what
might be needed to allow those tools to work with LibO.

> In case of the first I'd say a mailinglist isn't a good choice at all.
> It rather would be a candidate for "ask a question" support form.
>
> > following large mail threads not related to that topic,
> > can be a problem - so a dedicated list indeed might make sense.
>
> This can be a problem for whomever. It's only solution is to get Your
> tools and Your communication partners help You achieving that task. This
> can be shurely be demanded by someone willing tho help development.
> Someone looking for advice is a completely different story and should be
> handled as such.

Depending on those people's disability, they can see this almost as an
personal attack (I remember those threads on the users list quite well...)

Sigrid

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