Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

Þann þri 23.nóv 2010 02:17, skrifaði Michael Wheatland:
> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Robert Holtzman<holtzm@cox.net>  wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:31:58PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote:
> > > On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 02:28:54PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> > > > open to learning a *few* new things, it is extremely user friendly.
> > > > There is, however, a segment of the population that actively resists
> > > > learning *anything*.
> > >
> > > And that's a problem.
> >
> > I would say that's *the* problem.
> > Bob Holtzman
>
> The message does not seem to be getting through here.
> Simply: This type of personal criticism is unacceptable in the
> LibreOffice community.

Maybe this can serve as a warning; we should carefully hurry 
to put up more specialised communication channels (avoiding 
group isolation but still minimizing similar clashes). I see 
the argument made by Rene as somewhat valid - but only in a 
certain context.
Which it is not on the [tdf-discuss] list but might be on an 
[tdf-devel-discuss] list (although some manners could be 
useful).

It's quite surreal to see some power users/developers not 
seeing or refusing to see that the whole concept of the 
software in question IS a big metaphor: Office.
And its users are using GUIs and other metaphors for 
handling the software; for even the most capable of them the 
CLI is at best scary.

As a translation coordinator of LibO/OOo and other things, I 
can confirm that the best translators are not necessarily 
capable of learning basic command-line commands. They want 
an easy way to see their translations in action.
And the sysadmins I've been working with are normally too 
overloaded to remember upgrading manually the LibO/OOo 
packages on their systems (my language is not yet in the 
official distribution channels). They want their software to 
come through official and reliable repositories.
So it took about 30 minutes of searching and fiddling to 
create a Packages.gz file and publishing the packages as our 
localised .deb repository. Think it's similar for other 
flavors like yum .rpm.
Still I'd like a primary metapackage so we could 
install/deinstall ONE package instead of the whole bunch.

Anyway, I presume LibO will not be distributed this way in 
the future, 'dpkg -i *.deb' or 'rpm -ivh *.rpm' will be 
reserved for testing/development/adventurous people.
Linux users will get their LibreOffice through their package 
managers, probably via distribution specific repositories. I 
think I saw another thread a while ago where it was 
discussed whether LibreOffice should maintain their own 
repo. Maybe one for testing/QA/translations would be useful.

Just my 2 centimes,

Sveinn í Felli


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