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Le 2010-10-22 15:42, Ian a écrit :
ds are clearly those of photo-retouch and .jpg work.

All this begs the question of what learning we are trying to achieve. I
have two key goals in ICT

1. Prepare them for change because that is one thing that is certain.
2. Develop the skills and good habits needed early so they don't have to
unlearn stuff.

For 1. they have to use a range of applications. One of the biggest
problems with MSO in schools is that it becomes the only thing taught.
Children are not educated, they are trained in using an office suite -
that would also be true of OOo/LO if it was used in the same way.

Touching up photos IMHO might have surpassed design work but is that
really educationally desirable? Look at how often we need to communicate
graphically. Draw diagrams in science, simple plans such as layout of a
room or garden. I'd say the reason we teach bit map editing is because
it is superficially easy, Windows only comes with such tools and
teachers generally don't have the design skills themselves. Neither of
these reasons is particularly sound educationally.

Totally in agreement with all of this, which we have heard for the last 20 years or so in educational circles. Unfortunately, what it all boils down to is if the masses will pick the cool photo editing software suite or the suite with the vector graphics suite that may not suit their needs. I believe also boils down to the philosophy behind the LibO suite.

I am not sure if this makes a difference as to which tool should be
included in the suite.

Back in the 80s when Acorn computers were in most UK schools, a good
vector drawing program and its engine were built into the OS. This
encouraged 3rd party developers to eg provide vector export to
spreadsheet tables, graphics etc. You could export a graphic generated
from any third party spreadsheet in a vector format, embed it in a text
document, rotate it and scale it without loss of resolution. You could
take such a graphic into a drawing program ungroup its components and
edit it. All of this is possible if you have a standard vector format
that is open and documented. This was back in 1988/9 over 20 years ago
so this is one example of how Windows and commercial licensing has held
back progress. We are so used to it now we just assume that is the way
it has to be.

Yes, back in the 80's on this side of the pond, our Canadian schools used mostly the ICON computers and right through the early 90's. There were also great sets of tools as well as vector graphic programmes as well a great Logo set of tools. As well, we also pushed the Apple vector drawing programme (name escapes me right now) and some of our Mathematics textbooks were literally written with Logo and Vector drawing in mind. Still cool!

If LibO had a standard and openly published svg engine (and Inkscape
already has it) just think of the possibilities. You can already access
many vector routines in Inkscape from scripted commands so a longer term
goal would be to make a LibO UI that fit the svg engine and documented
it so third parties could write applets that could access the routines
for specific tasks. eg rendering charts and graphs as svg files to
export from Calc.

Well then this speaks to the philosophy behind the suite. Are we to "sell" the product to the masses based on these set of tools (honestly, in educational circles, a vector writing tool would be a big sell) or do we keep Draw and push it as a popular photo-retouching software that the masses will enjoy.

By the same token, are photo-retouching tools available in Inkscape?


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