Re: [tdf-discuss] Explanation . . . ?

Hi Jon,

Jon Hamkins schrieb:
> On 10/01/2010 11:31 AM, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> > Kürti László schrieb:
>
>
> > > I had some short chat with Oracle representatives they are stating official
> > > ly:
> > > ""Oracle is investing substantial resources in OpenOffice.org.  With more
> > > than one hundred million users, we believe OpenOffice.org is the most
> > > advanced, most feature rich open source implementation and will strongly
> > > encourage the Open Office community to continue to contribute through
> > > www.openoffice.org.  However, the beauty of open source is that it can
> > > be forked by anyone who chooses, as was done today.  Our sincerest goal
> > > for Open Office is that it become more widely used so if this new
> > > foundation will help advance Open Office and the Open Document Format we
> > > wish them the best.""
>
> This reaction from Oracle is also reported at:
> http://www.crn.com/news/applications-os/227500950/openoffice-developers-split-from-oracle-create-own-organization.htm
>
> > > In my opinion it means (at this very moment) that there will be OpenOffice.
> > > org and LibreOffice as well.
> >
> > Not necessarily:
> >
> > They state:
> >
> > "Oracle is investing substantials resources in OpenOffice.org"
> >
> > I don't know if they mean the product (developers) or the community
> > (infrastructure) in this point
>
> Their statement its pretty clear.  They are investing in OpenOffice.org,
> they will continue to do so, and they invite developers to continue
> contributing to OpenOffice.org (i.e., not to the fork called LibreOffice).

Where did you read this statement for the future?

As you cut off the main part of my message, you don't comment on the 
difference between "OpenOffice.org" and "Open Office".

They surely will continue investing in "Oracle Open Office", their 
proprietary distribution of OpenOffice.org as they make money of it.

It might be possible, that they plan to keep investing in 
OpenOffice.org, but this has not been stated here.
> > I am not part of the "Open Office Community", but of the "OpenOffice.org
> > Community".
> >
> > Even if I still hope for the trademark to be given back to us, this
> > message is at least a sign in a dedicated direction. :-(
>
> The statement from Oracle implies they are keeping the trademark,[...]

That's your assumption - and possibly that's what they want us to 
believe and react.

And afterwards they can say, that we didn't want the trademark back.

It's *our* trademark, handed over to Sun for legal claims reasons (as we 
didn't have a foundation that could take care of them in the past).

If they are honest in supporting OpenOffice.org, they should show this 
by giving it back to the community IMHO.

> [...]   It's a big problem, because LibreOffice needs to
> start from scratch in building name recognition and overcoming
> confusion.

That's right - there are some FAQ already on the website, where we 
should point people to:
http://www.documentfoundation.org/faq/

>  We can no longer claim "XXX million downloads,"

We still can - we just need to change the wording "further development 
of the X00 million download suite" ....

> and since
> Oracle will still be developing OpenOffice.org, there will be an
> additional burden of explaining the difference between OOo and LO to users.

If they do, this is true...

Best regards

Bernhard
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