Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

Hi Dennis

Le 2011-06-25 12:40, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit :
> The reason for the periodic Committee Drafts is to have reasonably-stable feature specifications 
> that implementers can start on and confirm the specification of before we do the work to produce 
> the final stable specification (a Committee Specification) that then goes forward as a Candidate 
> OASIS Standard and then OASIS Standard.
>
> I think this conversation needs to be made more concrete.
>
> The inclusion of font embedding into the ODF 1.x specification is not the issue.
>
> The issue is, who has it be such an imperative that they are willing to have and document an 
> implementation-specific solution well enough that others can interoperate with it.  Then, or 
> concurrently, it can be rolled into the ODF specification work as the basis for an 
> independently-implementable, interoperable feature of ODF.
>
> The ODF TC does not implement anything.  And it is a waste of the volunteer efforts of the ODF TC 
> participants to specify features that no one implements or that are not practically implementable 
> or for which there are already good-enough solutions that can be adapted.  There's a hand-and-glove 
> partnership required for a feature as substantial as font embedding.
>
> So far, I have not heard any offers.
>
>   - Dennis
>
> PS: Since August 2008, when I became a member of the ODF TC, I don't recall any conclusion that 
> font embedding is out of scope for the OpenDocument Format. I don't know what such an assertion 
> might be based on.  It is definitely the case that the ODF specification does not specify the 
> rendering and presentation of documents.  But that doesn't exclude font embedding.  After all, 
> there are already significant provisions for fonts in ODF, they just don't encompass embedding font 
> files.

Thanks for the information. This all sounds promising to me. So 
essentially, what you are saying is if ... "hypothetically" ... a 
proposal were to be put forward for embedding fonts and a group such as 
LibreOffice showed a committed willingness to use this new option with 
... let's say ... a LibreOffice Reader and if other groups were to 
support this new option, then it may pass?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: plino [mailto:pedlino@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 01:26
> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Subject: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard 
> Enters 60-Day Public Review)
>
>
> Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> >   4. It is incorrect to presume that Font Embedding will not be in ODF 1.3
> > or any other.  While font embedding did not make the feature cut in the
> > prioritization for ODF 1.2, that does not mean it can't be resurrected.
> > It is early days for ODF 1.3, which is scheduled to take a two-year
> > development process.
> >      What is *missing* is a serious proposal that deals with the
> > complexities, borrows from some already-worked-out approach in other
> > software, and is brought forth at the ODF TC in an unencumbered form.
> > Someone has to do the heavy lifting.
> >      You can also respond to the public review, although something concrete
> > that can be used in a constructive manner would be particularly welcome.
> > The ODF TC *has* to address every Public Review comment, although that
> > doesn't mean we will do anything about it.  Good catches will probably be
> > saved up for an Errata or lead to action in ODF 1.3.
>
>
> > Le 2011-06-24 13:13, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :
> >
> > > So, let me state and restate this : ODF will not embed fonts in the
> > > 1.2, 1.3, nor in the future, because the format is not meant to focus on
> > > faithful layout rendering. Instead, PDF is meant that. ODF focuses on
> > > office document exchanges.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Charles.
> Even if font embedding is included in ODF 1.3 (which is unlikely according
> to Charles' statement) that will only happen in 2 years time.
>
> I think TDF and LO are betting on the wrong horse. It's not only going to
> start the race much later but also there seems to be no guarantee that it
> will run faster or better (if Charles' statement is correct they aren't even
> on the same race because their goals are different)
>
> In any case, if LibreOffice's goal is to be a suite that stands behind the
> ODF format then it should review what it promises. If it can't embed fonts,
> it can never be a replacement for MS Office.
>
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Actually, 2 years is not that long and the world of office suites is a 
slow one. We will still be using desktop office suites in two year's 
time. Just imagine, many of our LibreOffice members are still on limited 
internet connection along with dial-up connection.

Cheers

Marc

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Marc Paré
http://www.parEntreprise.com


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