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On 17/11/2010 22:24, jonathon wrote:
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On 11/17/2010 06:54 PM, Harold Fuchs wrote:

What guarantees do cloud service operators give about the security of
  any document I may store on its server?

Personal cloud servers: The cloud that _you_ run in your home, office,
or SOHO.

Name one.

What guarantees do cloud service operators give about the backing-up and
  subsequent recovery of any document I may store on its server?

Any individual or organization that thinks that a non-personal cloud
offers viable long term storage of anything is delusional.

Tell that to Google.

A large part of the point of a portable app is that I can put the whole
  kit and caboodle on an encrypted device if I want.

The point of the web application is to _supplement_ existing apps, not
replace them.

It will be a minor supplement for trivial uses. I might generate my Christmas cards using a web app but I wouldn't trust one with my CV. Christmas cards perhaps, Christmas card list, no. Many of the people I know wouldn't want me putting their names and addresses, or the names of their kids, on the web.

corporations, have really analysed the implications of web apps and
cloud computing.

Corporations have been using cloud apps for decades. The only thing that
is new about them is a sexier name.

Yes. I worked for 27 years for a company offering cloud services. We had to give all sorts of guarantees, including having bonded employees in the server centres. It was a huge problem. Since then privacy laws relating to exporting data outside national boundaries have been introduced that would have killed the business had they been in force at the time. Also, I doubt it could be made profitable at the sort of price being touted nowadays, and if those prices were increased to profitable levels, people would refuse to pay.

One of the major pushes towards cloud computing is the idea of the thin client - a user's device that really has no operating system and is actually incapable of running local applications; it can only run a web server. This concept completely negates the idea of a local cloud.


Harold Fuchs
London, England

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