Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Updates

Nice clear thinking thanks Scott.

I have heard from people that they don't like these artifacts of
install, and also they often don't realise that they need to uninstall
a previous version of OOO - and you can use quite a bit of disk space
up, you end up with an install set and and install for each version of
OOO at present afaik.

The non-real package manager situation on Windows was I believe a
business decission of M$ early in the piece focussed around commercial
matters and policy ratrher than the User experience and good OS
management.  The Control Panel Add/Remove feature to my knowledge
presents little or no behind the scenes core management tools for
developers in the light of what you are talking about.

Maybe an auto detect determined - LiBO package management routine for
M$ systems, auto-detect  as OOO presrntly does for other OS specific
needs/features?

I reckon that LiBO could give a really good lead in this - M$ also
often leaves messes behind including large un-needed install and
update files under WIndows DIR TREE - maybe this could be  a point of
differecne for LiBo amongst  Office Products on M$ at least?

Better management of these files could be a real draw card for people
on M$, and there are still an awful lot of those M$ OS potential LiBO
people!

Paul

On 6 October 2010 18:04, Scott Furry <scott.wl.furry@gmail.com> wrote:
>  On 05/10/10 07:36 PM, Paul A Norman wrote:
> > What I have found is that under OOO I have always been left with
> > install directories with Mbs of space used for previous installations,
> > the uninstall or new install doesn't seem to have removed them.
> >
> > I have been thinking tha it would be neat to have as it were, one
> > install of LiBO and have it "updated" in all the same directories all
> > the time, even if it were a new version of LiBO that was being
> > "installed - updated", unless the User specifically elected to have
> > multiple installations of different versions, making the default that
> > there is only ever one main copy that is updated all the time.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On 6 October 2010 13:35, Goran Rakic<grakic@devbase.net>  wrote:
> > > У сре, 06. 10 2010. у 13:22 +1300, Paul A Norm
an
> >  пише:
> > > > Not sure where thinking is on this for LiBO at the moment, but is it
> > > > concievable that updating even to each new version could, after a User
> > > > response, be automatic and if elected by the User - replace the
> > > > previous version automatically please?
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > >
> > > Hi Paul,
> > >
> > > A first step would be to replicate the update notification feature
> > > available in the OpenOffice.org. I guess only infrastructure is missing
> > > for that one.
> > >
> > > I remember last year in Orvieto there were some talks about new
> > > packaging for all platforms that would allow online installation
> > > (allowing user to select, download and install any combination of
> > > languages, cutting space requirements to do full install sets).
> > >
> > > I do not know what is the current status of this development and if it
> > > would be easier to add autoupdate feature after that task is completed.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Goran Rakic
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> Paul,
> I do agree with the principles of your suggestion. Certainly on Windows
> installs this is true as evidenced by the "Install Folder" left on the
> desktop. And leaving the install folders around, not cleaning up after th
e
> install, or an uninstall not removing everything that was installed seems
> rather unprofessional. So, yes, I concur. However, I believe that may be
> only for Windows...
>
> *nix(Linux|Unix) installs can use a variety of install/package management
> programs (e.g. apt, yum, rpm, et al.) that resolve this issue. And these
> package management programs can also purge configuration files when remov
ing
> a package. Package management also handle the kind of automatic update
> functionality you mention. But this is for *nix only...
>
> Any installation method that is deployed, in my mind, must 'respect' the
> package management of the base operating system. I get rather annoyed wit
h
> multiple types of update/install mechanisms (setup.py for certain python
> based apps for example) that seem to circumvent OS package management
> programs. But there is no 'one size fits all' solution. There are numerou
s
> install frameworks (e.g. NSIS - NullSoft Install Script[Win only], or
> IzPack[Java - used by scala]). Again, they seem to circumvent package
> management on *nix machines while catering to Windows based installs.
>
> Problem is that Windows doesn't have a package management system. There i
s
> no one simple way to install, update or uninstall. Yes, there is msiexec,
> but that just provides a means to an end and doesn't handle update
> mechanisms nor framework/standardize installs. As for update mechanisms,
> we're left with 3rd party programs.
>
> Other than making sure that LibO cleans up after itself, how much effort
do
> we want to put into installers?
>
> Regards,
> Scott Furry
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