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Re: [tdf-discuss] LO vs AOO : GPL/LGPL vs ASL licences


Not sure if this will help http://opensource.org/licenses/index.html

but that site allows one to read the licenses in more detail.

On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton
<dennis.hamilton@acm.org>wrote:


I dropped an important word:

"I have *no* quarrel with others who want their code to be handled
differently."

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 20:54
To: 'webmaster-Kracked_P_P'; discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: RE: [tdf-discuss] LO vs AOO : GPL/LGPL vs ASL licences

I think Immanuel's question about what are the differences for users is
more important.

With regard to technicalities:

It happens that ASF projects do not accept GPL/LGPL code into their code
bases.  Period.  That's the ASF and it applies to ASF projects, including
Apache OpenOffice.

On the other hand, ALv2 code is deemed compatible with LGPL/GPL by the
Free Software Foundation, and it is possible for a project like LibreOffice
to incorporate and/or derive from ALv2 code without consequence.  It is
necessary to honor the ALv2 by providing notices concerning code that is
derived from ALv2 code, but that doesn't place any reciprocal obligation.
 (It is similar to employment of BSD and MIT license code in a GPL project.)

I agree that developers have their own preferences and ideological
positions on where they are willing to contribute.

I contribute to Alv2-licensed projects and I agree to the ASF rules for
Apache committers.  It satisfies me that anyone who receives code from me
can do essentially all of the things that I can do with it and they are
assured that I can't revoke that grant.  I still have all of my rights to
what I contribute.  That's where I stand with regard to licensing.  I have
quarrel with others who want their code to be handled differently.

 - Dennis



-----Original Message-----
From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P [mailto:webmaster@krackedpress.com]
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 18:02
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] LO vs AOO : GPL/LGPL vs ASL licences


You need a degree in licensing to really know all the ins ands outs of
what is the differences between them.  That said, it still is all about
what the developer feels is a better license for their coding.  What I
have heard from people is that they would prefer to provide the coding
under one type of licensing over another.  If they do not like the
"default" licensing for a project, they may be less likely to contribute
their coding to that project.

The question, as I have heard, is if you provide coding to the LO
project and AOO takes that coding - can they then relicense it under a
more restrictive license that is not what the developer wanted?  Can
software companies take open source coding under a licensing that still
gives the developer ownership, but then relicense it under some other
version that then becomes part of that company's software "ownership"
and no longer available for an open source project?

On 12/31/2012 08:28 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
That is completely incorrect, no matter how many folks keep saying it.

Put simply: using the LibreOffice or Apache OpenOffice distributions
does not raise any practical limitations on most personal use as well as
use by individuals in their business or institutional activities.

  - Dennis

PS: The preferred terms is ALv2 (ASL is something else), or simply
Apache License.

DETAILS

Committers to Apache projects retain all rights, while granting the ASF
a perpetual license to distribute under ASF-chosen license terms.  There is
no transfer of ownership whatsoever.  (Just for a moment of irony, it was
the case that Sun and then Oracle did require a [non-exclusive] transfer of
ownership, as does the Free Software Foundation to this day.)

You can find the ALv2 everywhere.  The Committer License Agreement (CLA)
is here:
<http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt>.

The key statement is this:

    "Except for the license granted herein to the Foundation
     and recipients of software distributed by the Foundation,
     You reserve all right, title, and interest in and to
     Your Contributions."

Note that people who simply make use of the ALv2 and distribute their
own (and derivative) work under the ALv2 don't have to make any such grant.
 It is contributors to ASF-sponsored projects that do this.

This is not much difference to the e-mail grants of license that
LibreOffice committers make to the TDF, except those grants name specific
licenses (and say nothing about patents).

The fundamental technical difference is that the Apache ALv2 license is
not a reciprocal license.  It does not require that derivative works be
provided in source code and under the same license.  The ALv2 also has no
limitations on the use of a distribution or its derivative in an embedded
system or inside of a [commercial] distributed service.

The license differences have no practical impact on end users.  It does
have ideological importance to contributors.  Some end users may want to
express their allegiance to one model or the other. In cultivating such
allegiance, it is valuable to stick to the facts.

  - Dennis


-----Original Message-----
From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P [mailto:webmaster@krackedpress.com]
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:19
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] LO vs AOO : GPL/LGPL vs ASL licences

[ ... ]
As I was told, LO's license will allow the developer to own the coding
they are sharing with the project, where AOO's really will give that
project the ownership of the coding.  Whether or not the "wording" is
stating that, that is what most developers I have "talked" with have
told me.

[ ... ]




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