Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenOffice.org Product Roadmap: made by whom ? was: Re: [discuss] remove of binfilter module

On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 10:53 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> Hello  Martin,
>
> Answering to the discuss AT TDF list as I'm not subscribed to the other
> ones...
>
>
> Le Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:39:54 +0200,
> Martin Hollmichel <martin.hollmichel@googlemail.com> a écrit :
>
> > Hi Sam,
> > > Do you have a concrete proposal?
> > yes, I have.
> >
> > First, I do not have any problems with the Apache style of decision
> > making, lazy consensus sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I like that
> > style. This fits perfectly to the "meritocracy" principle.
> >
> > My understanding is, that this principle is based on
> > * contributing individuals
> > * organizations/institutions contributing developers and/or money for
> > the infrastructure/governance, these organizations contribute because
> > they have derived products or other business around the regarding
> > software. So users are represented in this model by own work power or
> > indirectly by companies.
> > This principle has been proven to work quite well for many open source
> > projects.
> >
> > I think this principle may get enhanced by enabling a non profit
> > organization to have their own resources on a project (This might fit
> > into the Apache philosophy considering this organization as an
> > contributing institution). I think this is necessary because there is
> > already a lot of business happening around OpenOffice, but most of
> > these businesses are just to small or have not the right expertise to
> > execute on the "meritocracy" principle.
> > So what the OOo project missed most was to have a path to get product
> > feature or tasks done (or just 4th level support) with the help of
> > money offered.
> >
> > So my proposal is continue project decisions the Apache Style but also
> > to find a framework to make product decisions in a manner that also
> > the concerns of Users, local communities, QA, business partners, etc.
> > get honored. This framework also should enable to collect money so
> > that development (committer) resources can be found to get the issues
> > addressed in an equitable process.
> >
> > We already have thousands of feature requests and enhancements in the
> > queue, we are putting a new bunch of requirements on top of it through
> > the current transition to Apache, I think we should seek the power of
> > _all_ OOo communities, users and businesses to achieve significant
> > growth to make OOo a better and successful product. And I did not even
> > included wishes like ODF Viewers, mobile and Cloud services around
> > OOo.
> >
> > My offer is to develop (with all concerned parties) a new charter for
> > all the groups mentioned above (as a successor of the Community
> > Council Charter) and enable the project to have own development
> > resources. The non profit organization Team OpenOffice.org e.V.
> > played in the past just the role of being the cash box of the CC in a
> > quite defensive way (http://download.openoffice.org/contribute.html,
> > will you find the path to donate ??), now Team OOo is preparing to
> > offer a link between business, communities, users and developers to
> > enable growth on the new futile ground we are now moving on.
>
>
> If I understand well your proposal concerns as well the LibreOffice
> project. The principles you have outlined above are very much the same
> ones the Document Foundation has been advocating and implementing. 
>
> In this respect we would welcome working with Team  OOo (and other
> NGOs) You are also right to stress on the need to work on a charter for
> all the NGOs, 

Hi Charles,

I did not read that in his remarks.

> and this is somewhere on our task list here.

People in other countries are capable of directing their own affairs, I
would think. Unless you are thinking of creating franchises, is that
your goal? 

Thanks

Drew


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