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Hello  Martin,

Answering to the discuss AT TDF list as I'm not subscribed to the other

Le Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:39:54 +0200,
Martin Hollmichel <> a écrit :

Hi Sam,
Do you have a concrete proposal?
yes, I have.

First, I do not have any problems with the Apache style of decision
making, lazy consensus sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I like that
style. This fits perfectly to the "meritocracy" principle.

My understanding is, that this principle is based on
* contributing individuals
* organizations/institutions contributing developers and/or money for
the infrastructure/governance, these organizations contribute because
they have derived products or other business around the regarding
software. So users are represented in this model by own work power or
indirectly by companies.
This principle has been proven to work quite well for many open source

I think this principle may get enhanced by enabling a non profit
organization to have their own resources on a project (This might fit
into the Apache philosophy considering this organization as an
contributing institution). I think this is necessary because there is
already a lot of business happening around OpenOffice, but most of
these businesses are just to small or have not the right expertise to
execute on the "meritocracy" principle.
So what the OOo project missed most was to have a path to get product
feature or tasks done (or just 4th level support) with the help of
money offered.

So my proposal is continue project decisions the Apache Style but also
to find a framework to make product decisions in a manner that also
the concerns of Users, local communities, QA, business partners, etc.
get honored. This framework also should enable to collect money so
that development (committer) resources can be found to get the issues
addressed in an equitable process.

We already have thousands of feature requests and enhancements in the
queue, we are putting a new bunch of requirements on top of it through
the current transition to Apache, I think we should seek the power of
_all_ OOo communities, users and businesses to achieve significant
growth to make OOo a better and successful product. And I did not even
included wishes like ODF Viewers, mobile and Cloud services around

My offer is to develop (with all concerned parties) a new charter for
all the groups mentioned above (as a successor of the Community
Council Charter) and enable the project to have own development
resources. The non profit organization Team e.V.
played in the past just the role of being the cash box of the CC in a
quite defensive way (,
will you find the path to donate ??), now Team OOo is preparing to
offer a link between business, communities, users and developers to
enable growth on the new futile ground we are now moving on.

If I understand well your proposal concerns as well the LibreOffice
project. The principles you have outlined above are very much the same
ones the Document Foundation has been advocating and implementing. 

In this respect we would welcome working with Team  OOo (and other
NGOs) You are also right to stress on the need to work on a charter for
all the NGOs, and this is somewhere on our task list here.



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