Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: QA manual test Litmus session on 3.3.3Rc

Hi Plino,
On 07/06/2011 02:51, plino wrote:
[...]
> It would help if every time a user asks for a bug fix or a new feature,
> someone didn't say "excellent, why don't you fix it / add it yourself?"
> If LO has "hundreds of developers" then maybe there is no need for everybody
> to learn how to code and fix the problems themselves?
Unfortunately it's even not enough, there is still a big amount of bug 
triaging to do that is enormously time consuming for developers. So I 
agree there is no need to say it each time a user ask for a feature or a 
bug fix, but if this user could become a contributor, it's even better.
[...]
> But it's you who make this separation :)
> No, it's not. The Devs have made it pretty clear that the Dev mailing list
> is only for Development issues (which I find reasonable). But since they
> don't show up on the Users mailing list, where is the bridge?
We are, those electron who are on several mailing lists like l10n, 
projects, doc, etc...
> BTW the Discuss list isn't the bridge either... The bridge are people like
> you, Cor Nouws and Tom Davies who dialog with users and can reach the devs
> ;)
Yes, because a list is just a tool, but discuss@ is a list where I know 
several people from the native language communities are on, and they 
will tell there communities that the discussion is ongoing on the 
projects@ list.
The users@ list you talk about is an English speaking list and doesn't 
reach the other users@ lists of the project.
[...]
> That is not the feeling I get in the Users list...
> I can see your point but it can be interpreted (as I did and from the lack
> of answers, other users) that Users are not needed in QA.
>
> Just wanted to clear this out so that other Users who read this know that
> they are welcome to join QA ;)
>
> Maybe you should post this topic there just in case?
As I said, noise reduction: I'll wait to see how we goes with the other 
languages groups and if we need more EN native speakers, I'll ask on the 
users list.
> Finally, this mailing list separation doesn't help either. If this was a
> forum you would simply post a warning on each section with the link to the
> appropriate sub-forum and anyone could join without having to subscribe.
>
> So I ask again: can TDF please, set up an OFFICIAL forum for those who are
> more comfortable with forums?
Oh, yes, with a forum it would be very simple, I would not be there at 
all :) so nothing to push for me or to organize because too bandwith 
consuming and expensive.
And by the way, I know that my demand will reach the FR forum and may be 
other languages too, so why don't you pass it to the EN forum?
Kind regards
Sophie


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