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fwiw, Bob Sutor is not a committer or on the incubator PMC or a member
of the ASF [1]. Here's the list of folks on the incubator PMC who will
vote on the proposal [2]


On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Greg Stein <> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:17, Florian Effenberger
<> wrote:
Hi Jim,

Jim Jagielski wrote on 2011-06-06 18.06:

The reality is that IBM employees wearing their IBM hats, have made it
 crystal clear on the general@incubator list that IBM is going to force
 The Apache Foundation to take the project.


I am *not* saying you would be influenced or forced - I'd never doubt that
you are deciding independent. However, what people may give the feeling that
something's wrong are statements like these:

"it is a done deal"

That might create wrong impressions...

I'll repeat what Jim said: how do you think IBM can force us to take
the project? Bob can say whatever he'd like on his blog.

The software grant is a "done deal". I happen to believe the proposal
will be accepted, but it is not a "done deal".

In any case... stop assuming that what *one* person says is
representative of the entire (ASF) community. That simply isn't true.


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