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Hi James, all,

I'm not part of the SC, but like Drew and Andy a longtime OOo community
member - perhaps I can shed a bit of light on the issue...

James Wilde schrieb:

On Apr 21, 2011, at 23:09 , drew wrote:

On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 22:40 +0200, M Henri Day wrote:
2011/4/21 drew<>

On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 19:05 +0200, M Henri Day wrote:
2011/4/21 James Wilde<>

Just got this message in my inbox.  I wonder if sending him
a note about LibO would be considered to be in breach of
the comprehensive warning at the bottom.

About this main question:

I don't know the sender, but in most cases of such mails people are not
aware of sending their full address and contact details to an public
mailing list when they write a mail from their office.

If you cite such people you probably do them a favor if you cut this
information in your reply.

In this case I feel a bit different, as the sender is senior manager of
an IT company.

So my take is: Yes - the footer doesn't hinder you to reply to his request.



Begin forwarded message:

From: SAEED AHMED<> Date:
April 20, 2011 15:34:31 GMT+02:00 To:
""<> Subject:
[users] Licensing Details [...]

That's all well and good - but - contacting him is simply
_wrong_ IMO.

In my eyes it depends on the content of this reply.

He asked a question on the users list, not

Right. So if James replies, he should answer his question on the license

What Drew and Andy don't want to support, is subversive LibreOffice
marketing against

Even if the rest of the community didn't follow us by now, we don't
think that is a competitor we have to fight against by
all possible means.

In my eyes it is allowed to inform about LibreOffice while replying to
the question on OOo license, perhaps linking to the Oracle announcement
from last Friday: As there might be major modification in
community and product structure, he should keep an eye on what's going
on in the near future. If this announcement would cause him uncertainty
about OOo's future, it might be reasonable to have a look at LibreOffice.

We should not compete against each other - especially in a situation
where none of us know, what will happen to the OOo community. Perhaps we
get a chance to re-unite: Then competitive marketing might be an issue
that adds negative feelings we should avoid.

Competitive marketing is not the way to go for LibreOffice: Italo
Vignoli, our marketing spokesperson, mentioned this point in several
mails on various lists: We stand *for* our community and our product and
not *against* others.

To forward such a message here was wrong

I agree, but this doesn't mean that this topic is wrong on our discuss list.

You might have asked your question without copying the OP mail - and
have chosen a more descriptive subject ;-)

and such actions should NOT be tolerated.

As non-native speaker, this part sounds too hard to me. It's a valid
question how we interact with the OOo community we left behind us.

And if people want to use information from over there to do marketing
against them, nobody will be able to hinder them.

But this is not the way I think is the official position of the
LibreOffice community.

Even if they decided not to follow our way by one or another reason,
these are the people we worked with for several years - and we liked
working together.

Florian was very sad that he had to resign from his OOo Marketing Lead
post - and so did the former OOo Community Council members here in the
SC as well as many others.

Tolerance is important - for different opinions as well as for working
in two communities.

But that's just my personal opinion...


If James truly believes it is appropriate to respond to a query of
this nature, made on the mailing list, with a
recommendation to use a different application then he should (must)
be willing to do so in the open, on that mailing list.

It's just a gut feeling, but this seems to be more honest than a private

A mail to the users list will have to be phrased in a way telling just
the facts about LibreOffice without doing any harm to OOo. A private
mail could be considered as bad marketing for us, because LibreOffice
stands for openness and transparency.


Recently there was some discussion about the decision of the European
Union to renegotiate with Microsoft about new licenses for Office,
[...]  I don't know whether TDF actually did anything about it, but
there was a lot of agreement that they should do.

I think a SC member did blog about this topic, but I'm not sure.

Now someone has made information available on a public list which
could be beneficial to TDF in a similar though smaller way, and I
have decided that I see no problem with making use of that public

In my eyes this is totally different: While Microsoft tried to turn the EU position back to proprietary licensed software lock-in, you got notice of someone willing to switch from Microsoft to OSS software.

And as is not (or not only) our competitor, their mailing lists are not just an arbitrary public list.

It's good for us, if companies help others to switch from MS to OOo, because

- there is too less infrastructure (with professional support) and documentation on migrating to LibreOffice.

- as we will prove to be better than OOo with our releases to come, people will think about switching from OOo to LibreOffice sooner or later.

- such a change will be much easier than the previous one (and might already come true when they try to import some VBA macros during the first process).

 I will wait (nearly) 24 hours for someone from the top
 of TDF to tell me no, and if that doesn't come, I will contact the
poster offline.  The time now is 00:09, so TDF has until midnight

If you want a reaction by the SC, you should send a request to the SC-discuss list. Then they will have a look at it and probably discuss it during their next call.

But at the moment all the volunteer(!) SC members have much more and much more important tasks to solve than you mailing someone you got notice via a OOo mailing list.

Sorry, but this ultimatum looks quite arrogant to me.

I feel at the center of TDF, and I spent quite a lot of time to reply to your mail - mainly to help the SC members to concentrate on their work.

If I was able to tell you a bit more about the special relationship between the LibreOffice and community, the time has not been spent in vain.

Best regards


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