Re: [tdf-discuss] Apply button

2010/11/14 Christoph Noack <christoph.noack@documentfoundation.org>:
> RGB ES (???)!

Put a physicists, and amateur photographer and a native Spanish
speaker in one person and you will have a good nickname ;)

> During the analysis of special use cases within the Renaissance project,
> this has been one of the TOP10 issues. But, the basic idea behind this
> dialog is different (tweaking). The software misses an efficient tool to
> set the position of objects easily.

While I agree with this, I think it is another problem...

> Partly, this is addressed by the recent Better Defaults activity that
> aims to re-consider the values for the grid (OOo). This might help (a
> bit).
>
> But this doesn't help for e.g. objects (like pictures) that do have
> content and an empty margin (thus, there is content that is smaller than
> the bounding box). The bounding box "snaps" to the grid (or other
> helpers), but the content does not. This is something which has been
> solved since ages in Microsoft Office. If you move objects (e.g. via the
> cursor keys), then the bounding box as well as the (calculated) content
> box is considered.
>
> Today, the UI designers within IDEs are great tools - they consider the
> position and size of all the objects on the page and "propose" alignment
> automatically. This is something that would be extremely helpful in many
> cases.

Again, I agree with all this... but I lost the connection with the
apply button, sorry

> Concerning the dialog - yes, it might help. But if an "Apply" button
> gets added, then - in perceived 99% of all cases - the dialog will just
> hide the object that gets transformed. So people are fighting against
> the dialog window :-)

There was a time (before they were released under the control of the
local window manager) when OOo's dialogues had the ability to shade
when you double clicked on their title bar, taking almost no screen
state. This is of course still possible on Linux (under kde, at least)
and I use it all the time, but a native way to "shade" dialogues could
be a solution to that. Or maybe a way to "hide" them as you can hide
the stylists or the navigator when they are docked.
Or a "switch" between a "full mode" (with all controls on place) and a
thin "info mode" (with only some bits of static info).

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