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Hi Ian, hi RGB ES (???)!

During the analysis of special use cases within the Renaissance project,
this has been one of the TOP10 issues. But, the basic idea behind this
dialog is different (tweaking). The software misses an efficient tool to
set the position of objects easily.

Partly, this is addressed by the recent Better Defaults activity that
aims to re-consider the values for the grid (OOo). This might help (a

But this doesn't help for e.g. objects (like pictures) that do have
content and an empty margin (thus, there is content that is smaller than
the bounding box). The bounding box "snaps" to the grid (or other
helpers), but the content does not. This is something which has been
solved since ages in Microsoft Office. If you move objects (e.g. via the
cursor keys), then the bounding box as well as the (calculated) content
box is considered.

Today, the UI designers within IDEs are great tools - they consider the
position and size of all the objects on the page and "propose" alignment
automatically. This is something that would be extremely helpful in many

Concerning the dialog - yes, it might help. But if an "Apply" button
gets added, then - in perceived 99% of all cases - the dialog will just
hide the object that gets transformed. So people are fighting against
the dialog window :-)

Any developer here that may derive an easy hack for the consideration of
the "content box" idea? ;-)


Am Sonntag, den 14.11.2010, 11:50 +0000 schrieb Ian Lynch:
Good idea, you should never have to close a dialogue box in any
multi-tasking environment in order to do anything. It seems to have been a
peculiar thing that sprang up in Windows 3 applications and has persisted.
Ok if the dialogue is linked to an object and you unselect that object the
values in the dialogue become undefined so greyed out. If you click on
another objet its properties appear in the dialogue.  Inkscape is much
better than Draw in this respect and it is one reason I use Inkscape almost
exclusively now.

On 14 November 2010 08:44, RGB ES <> wrote:

If you search for "apply button" on OOo's issue tracker, more than
1100 issues appears.
The lack of a simply "apply" option, specially on Draw and Impress
were you need to continually modify (and check!) the position and
properties of several objects is something I never understood on OOo.
I think it is important in several dialogues (specially those that
refers to graphical objects and frames) to have the possibility to
apply changes without closing the dialogue itself.
What do you think?

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