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On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Christoph Noack
<> wrote:
Hi Ian, all!

Before I start - I cross-post this mail to both discuss@tdf and
website@libo, because I think it could be helpful to collect some
requirements concerning the future web infrastructure. For answers,
please use the original thread at discuss@tdf. Thanks!

The issue: There has been a proposal for a mobile version of LibO.
Although being a bit visionary in my opinion, the valid question came
up, whether there is a procedure how to propose and to rate such
(feature) proposals. People on the lists proposed a dedicated wiki
table, or a "proposal" forum. Some mentioned ratings by the Steering
Committee to somehow "accept" the ideas.

The problem isn't that new, so please read on ...

Am Freitag, den 05.11.2010, 10:55 +0000 schrieb Ian:
On Fri, 2010-11-05 at 11:25 +0100, Dr. Bernhard Dippold wrote:
Hi Ian, *

Ian Lynch wrote:
Establish a simple Forum called proposals.

I'd prefer a sortable list at the wiki / website with columns for name, date and
proposal (up to 100 char), link to description, bug entry (if already filed),
number of votes, necessary resources and proirity.

I don't have any strong preferences about the detail of implementation,
I was just really looking at the outline procedure.

We discussed that intensively within the OOo project some time ago,
since there have been many ideas within the User Experience team. The
goal was to have a transparent, community driven and developer friendly
process to propose and to rate (feature) ideas.

One of the larger projects (Ubuntu) maintains a website that is called
"Ubuntu Brainstorm" [1]. You can add any kind of idea that gets a short
formal check by moderators - then, anybody can rate the idea and add
additional solution ideas. Finally, there are some pretty interesting
numbers that can be used to find the high- and lowlights.

I started to document ideas for (whereas I got plenty of
help, e.g. by Ivan doing a mockup for an OOo version [2]). The summary
is available at [3] and should summarize what might be helpful for LibO,

So why didn't we implement that for OOo? The biggest problems were the
availability/maintenance of the new website infrastructure (although we
got some help within the Sun UX team), and the "what to do if people
really desire a certain feature" when it comes to resources of
development. So we concluded that it is not that helpful to collect
ideas, if the chance for implementation is close to zero.

But there have been ideas. We ended up in creating wiki pages for
individual ideas that got tagged by "UX Idea" [4]. One proposal is here
(including rating at the bottom) [5], that I usually announced in the
blog [6].

Well, that works only for a few ideas, but not (really) for a number of
ideas that developers might be interested to have a look at.

So where do we stand now - people do have ideas (threads covering UI
Design, icons, ...), there is plenty of discussion (but too much for the
mailing lists), and there are more and more interested developers
(assumption, but the current activity at the developer lists is just
great). So, do we consider this to be helpful? If yes, then please add
it to the requirements list for the website infrastructure :-)

A last thing - a visual highlight embedded into the (from my
point-of-view) very good web infrastructure of KDE: [7].



[2] Example for OOo Brainstorm

[3] Summary of potential Idea Handling approaches

[4] UX Ideas in the OOo Wiki

[5] Example UX Idea

[6] UX idea announcement in a blog

[7] KDE Brainstorm (both a website structure and visual highlight)

From what I can see, the Ubuntu system is pretty similar in its
capabilities to the KDE Forum system, although the KDE system seems to
focus on idea while the Ubuntu (or ideatorrent, which it is based on)
seems to be focused on problems and solutions.  However, ideatorrent
does not appear to support user-specified tags.

openSUSE also has openFATE, which is an idea management system:  It has user-specified tags like the
KDE system, but also has a tag cloud.  One big difference is that all
ideas show their status for particular releases (unconfirmed,
accepted, rejected, implemented, etc), so you can tell whether the
idea is going to be make it into a particular release or not.


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