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Hi Sophie,

thank you for reminding us what TDF and its community is all about.
It is also great to see that members of TDF team are passionate about what they are doing within TDF for the community.

I agree with you that we failed to act. Some of us tried to deliver the information and the packages needed to setup LOOL wherever it was needed but failed. We were probably also too busy in trying to get a bad situation sorted to find other ways to act.

That's why we need even more the team and the community to shout out when they see that we are not reacting to something that we must act on so that everyone in the board gets the message.

I've been following what Framasoft have been doing for quite a while and have seen how they coordinated with the CHATONS to offer many of the services that were needed since the beginning of the pandemic.

I managed to follow their example and invested personally and through my company to help other people, I would have been great if we could have done the same through TDF.

I think we should get in touch with Framasoft to support them and also to (re)learn from them how to get the community more engaged so that we can get the community to help us in steering TDF and its projects in the right direction.

Already during last board meeting I've proposed to setup a PeerTube instance, mostly to lead by example in terms of Digital Sovereignty and to give a privacy friendly option to those that would like to view our videos, together with a donation to Framasoft to thank them for their efforts.

Maybe you could facilitate a call so that we see how we could join forces to promote and support each others?

Ciao

Paolo



On 14/01/2022 12:13, sophi wrote:
Hi Michael, all,
Le 13/01/2022 à 18:44, Michael Meeks a écrit :
Hi Marco,
[...]

     I also agree with Thorsten that the stories about achieving
market dominance during the COVID crisis with this approach are
impossibly naive. From a hardware provision perspective alone - being
backed by a giant monopoly (which we are not), really helps to front
the Eur 10's of millions of infrastructure cost needed to provide a
large-scale free service. Also - I expect that selling users' private
data or insights gleaned from it (something TDF would never do) also
gives a significant cost edge against us.
On my point of view, it was not about achieving market dominance but
about solidarity. And TDF has failed here, again on my point of view.
When I see what Framasoft (an association with 35 contributors and 10
employees) has been able to achieve during these days/years, I feel sad
that we were not part of this framework. See the CHATONS initiative
which has played an incredible role for teachers, students, families and
even in the health field by helping doctors, during the lockdown periods:
https://www.chatons.org/en

If I read through this article detailing what they have done during 2020,
https://framablog.org/2020/12/08/review-of-framasofts-actions-in-2020-excluding-the-lockdown-period/

I don't read only about products, but about sharing, empowering of
people, solidarity and creativity, all in the FLOSS spirit. TDF for me
is not only hosting a product, but has a culture, has a knowledge, has a
lot of creative people around, meaning we have a lot of resources, but
we have done nothing to share them during the critical period families
and students were fronting.

Cheers
Sophie


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