[tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] "Code of Conduct"

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi :)
> I'm not on the discuss list but i think you are right.  It would be better there.
>
>
> The problem is enforcement.  However, i tend to find that  if a policy is reasonable enough then 
> people self-moderate.  The lack of a policy means people don't think about what might not be ok.  
> There is a problem with having a small elite group of people acting as moderators as it makes the 
> organisation seem quite hierarchical and patronising.  Then various people dispute the rights of 
> the moderators or feel they can legitimately mistreat the moderators and so on and on.  If you 
> create a police ofrce then you are more likely to need them.  If you don't have one people tend 
> to behave better.  Just my experience of vaious co-operative group's meetings and demonstrations 
> and stuff.  Best to avoid moderators if possible.  Ubuntu's Launchpad works really well without 
> them.

The way it works with Ubuntu and the Ubuntu Code of conduct, is that
you digitally sign the agreement in order to show that you are bound
by it. This appears then in your Launchpad profile, so others can
verify.
Then, if you get into a nasty disagreement with someone that signed
the Code of Conduct, you simply refer them to the document and refuse
to escalate.
I cannot recall a situation in Ubuntu that went sour and was not resolved.

Since the Document Foundation does not offer per-user profile space,
then it should simply add to the mailing list welcome e-mail the text:

"By subscribing to the mailing list, you accept to abibe by the
LibreOffice Code of Conduct, found at http:///";

Simos

> > ________________________________
> > From: Charles-H. Schulz <charles.schulz@documentfoundation.org>
> > To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2012, 10:18
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] "Code of Conduct"
> >
> > Hello Tom,
> >
> > I don't know why you posted this on the marketing list, perhaps we
> > should continue this discussion on discuss@... anyway.
> >
> > Maybe such a code of conduct is needed, I don't dwell too much on the
> > users list to be frank. However, what's really important is to have this
> > code enforced, and that means to have community members who are able to
> > moderate and help the mailing list in question to remain polite and
> > helpful. In this sense, I would trust a few people more than I would
> > trust a code of conduct. As you do spend much more time  on the Users
> > mailing list than me, do you think you need such a code, or do you need
> > more people to help out users (in a polite tone, of course)?
> >
> > Best,
> > Charles.
> >
> > Le mardi 25 septembre 2012 à 11:04 +0200, Florian Monfort a écrit :
> > > Hi Tom,
> > >
> > > Sure sounds like a great idea :)
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > --
> > > Florian Monfort
> > > Marketing Apprentice at Red Hat
> > > Marketing Team at The Document Foundation
> > > Student at France Business School
> > > +33 6 58 97 15 61
> > > florian.monfort@gmail.com
> > > On Sep 25, 2012 11:02 AM, "Tom Davies" <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi :)
> > > >
> > > > I was wondering if we could set-up a "Code of Conduct" along the lines of
> > > > Ubuntu's?
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > While we like to believe that everyone on the lists and involved with
> > > > LO is "just like us" that means very different things for different
> > > > combinations of "us".  The marketing list and documentation lists are very
> > > > polite and welcoming when someone new arrives and starts asking questions
> > > > but the Users List is often very rude and makes the new person feel very
> > > > unwelcome or even intimidated.  Can we legislate against rudeness?  Can we
> > > > even define it?  Different people obviously have very different ideas about
> > > > what is acceptable behaviour.
> > > >
> > > > Regards from
> > > > Tom :)
> > > >
> > > >
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