[tdf-discuss] Re: Just a question

Hi, Marc,

On 11/2/11 2:57 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
> Hi Ken
>
> Le 2011-11-02 11:53, Ken Springer a écrit :
> > Hopefully, you've read my reply to Florian about the websites and
> > potential confusion if you are at the LO site and not the TDF site.
> >
> > I've been watching the user forum thread in this list, most of which is
> > beyond my understanding, and may post a comment of what I would like to
> > see when it comes to how the whole process appears to an end user.
> >
> > What would a mockup consist of?
>
> We have had some discussions on revising some pages on the site and the
> design team is just now getting to some design changes. It may look like
> the TDF and LibreOffice sites were just thrown together and in part,
> yes, they were put together in a very short amount of time due to
> various reason. But, as we are ALL volunteers and help the community
> with our available time, some changes may seem to come slowly. But
> changes will eventually come around depending on the number o f people
> who are able to make the changes.

I saw the design change discussions earlier, but simply didn't have time 
to post a thoughtful reply.  I have noticed the new 'banner" at the top 
of each main page, nicely done.

I think one of the biggest disappointment for me, on the LO pages, is 
all the basic design rules that I learned about in an introductory web 
design class I took, were not followed.  Rules, that if I didn't follow 
in class, I got marked down for.  Sadly, most pages these days don't 
follow many rules.  Guess where I rarely go....   LOL

> As we are a very large group, discussions about the website design were
> taken up on this thread and the design thread. You will have to read
> back on the different threads about this to catch up on what was
> discussed so far.
>
> More importantly, the design team has elaborated some suggested design
> changes stemming from past discussions with the community. For example,
> the downloads pages needs reworking and you the process is just now
> getting to the point of final review. You can see this process on the
> design team's whiteboard[1]. You can see some mockups on that page.

I checked out the whiteboard, I do like that look.  Much simpler, IMO, 
but gets the job done.

> If you feel you could contribute with concrete suggestions, feel free to
> join the design team and suggest some of these on that particular list.
> It is important that if you are going to contribute, that you do not
> bring objections to the discussions but rather ideas and positive
> suggestions relating to design. The designers will not listen nor work
> with people ranting negative statements as they are all volunteers and
> offer their help through their free time. BTW, they are an awesome bunch!

I try not to rant, although my writing style may read that way to some.

And I may try to offer some observations on the design, although those 
observations may be too late.  I try to make my observation,s when 
viewing something computer related, as if I was the type of user who 
doesn't even know how the computer organizes/stores files on a hard 
drive.  To be specific, like a friend of mine who I still don't think 
understands what a web browser is or does.

Now that I know what a "mockup" is, that is way beyond my ability to 
create, without an awful lot of work at my end.  The best I could do 
would be to provide an organizational chart of how I would arrange and 
link pages, with some comments on the content of the pages.  In 
preparation for the other post I just wrote, I found a problem on the 
Nabble related pages.  I can be on Level B of the hierarchy, click a 
link to go up to Level A, but then there's no link to get back down to 
Level B.   :-)


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Ken

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