Re: [tdf-discuss] Are we in the right way?

Il 01/09/2011 20:26, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto:
> Hello Carlo,
>
> I may only answer to some of your questions...
>
> Le Thu, 01 Sep 2011 17:27:33 +0200,
> Carlo Strata<carlo.strata@tiscali.it>  a écrit :
>
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > I want only to open a positive (constructive) talk, discuss.
> >
> > I think we all have to point to quality by the following means:
> >
> > - all documents (Open Documents, PDFs or real print) yielded by
> > LibreOffice have to be near perfection;
> What do you mean by "near perfection"?

I mean that documents have to be corrected for the normal use:
- pdf export;
- calc rendering;
- calc multiple page print;
- image aligned as all our world attends;
- calculus correctness;
- standard adherence (ODF, PDF, SVG, ....);
- all day things...;


> > - priority bugs have to be valuated with the previous mean in mind;
> >
> > - all LibreOffice generated documents all over the world are the sign
> > and the face of our quality;
> >
> > - if wrong documents are linked to LibreOffice in People's mind we
> > are putting our time and efforts away through the window;
> Yes.

:-)

> > - only with document quality, we will be growing at enterprise side
> > in trust, confidence and reliance too;
> I don't know, I'm not sure about that :-) I think people have to be
> made aware of ODF documents, otherwise they'll think it's a nuisance.

So you agree that nuisance is a bad thing... ;-)

So ODF have to be a true good (= "near perfect") 
things/opportunity/chance...

> > - here in Italy, PDF/A-1a file format, e.g., is the standard way
> > (file format) to give back information to Public Administrations
> > (e.g. Central Trade Offices, ...): if professionals or enterprise
> > cannot do that with LibreOffice they don't adopt it. Full stop. And
> > we couldn't work with them to grow in LibreOffice adoption and, of
> > course, TDF doesn't grow all over the minds, in the streets, on many
> > countries and in the related healthy and sound business;
> I can save documents under PDF/A-1 with LibreOffice. :-)

I see someone told you that this is (ehm was!!!) an x86-64 bug! 
Regression (I pointed out the old Novell Bugzilla issue)!!!

> > - I'm seeing many regressions in these days that I thought have been
> > definitively fixed, many regarding "document quality": I think it
> > isn't enough to fix it again, but we ought to ask ourselves why these
> > regressions occur, what are we mistaking, what could we improving in
> > the whole process, in the workflows;
> >
> > - are we sure, once more, that all regressions fixed are than
> > forward-ported to 3.5.x branch or I can aspect to a "new" related
> > regression when I'll try to use the future 3.5.x release?
> >
> > - are someone interested in make quality always lower, someway
> > boycotting LibreOffice and its diffusion, spread? Are regression
> > somewhat, and also, linked to this? These are weak hypothesis, but I
> > cannot fall silence about them anymore;
> So concretely, what would you like to improve the quality process?

I write this in answer to Rainer, but mailing list server refuse my 
reply at the moment (this happen sometime since a month ago).

But shortly:
- give to bug that affect normal use (in the upper mean) more importance 
and fix it sooner (GSoC, University, Sponsorship, donations, volunteers, 
...);
- sometime and cycling asking ourself why (!) regressions occurs and so 
if we can change things (redesign workflows and so on) to reduce them 
always more...
- ... see my answer to Rainer.

Have a nice Sunday,

Carlo


> best,
> Charles.
>
> > - I'm an Italian Computer Engineer and I'm part of the Venice
> > Engineer Professional Association ("Ordine degli Ingengneri di
> > Venezia") to whom I want to make adopting both OpenDocument file
> > format and LibreOffice to deal with that file format, but at the
> > moment (3.4.3) I still cannot. When will I be able to? At 3.4.4 time?
> >
> > My 2 euros ;-)
> >
> > Carlo

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