Re: [tdf-discuss] Are we in the right way?

Il 01/09/2011 18:22, Rainer Bielefeld ha scritto:
> Carlo Strata schrieb:
>
> > - are we sure, once more, that all regressions fixed are than
> > forward-ported to 3.5.x branch or I can aspect to a "new" related
> > regression when I'll try to use the future 3.5.x release?
>
> Hi,
>
> I understand that you might be disappointed concerning my "Major"
> instead of "Critical" rating for "your"
> <https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39355>. Can you suggest
> one "critical" one that can be downrated to "major", because it is
> less important for the LibO project than Bug 39355, so that we can
> rise importance for Bug 39355?

:-)

I think you are able answering yourself about this... I want simply say 
that all already critical bugs are correctly considered, but if we are 
going on enterprise side, we have to cure document qualities: like 
standard adherence, rendering quality, print quality *with the same 
attention level.*

I obviously not refer to "my" 39355 bug, but to various other ones 
related to pdf/A-1a or Calc printing, calc imagine downshifting, ...

Remember, Rainer, I want to help not to criticize without usefulness! :-)

Look at my mail in her globality, guess the deep mean, ...

> I'm afraid all this "we have to rise quality" discussion leads to
> nowhere.

Are you sure? ;-)

I instead think to have pointed out many interesting issue that may be 
discussed and perhaps improved.

> Currently the problem is that we get more bug reports that can be
> fixed (or at least: handled) - do you know my statistics on
> <http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:RBd/Workbench#Statistics>?
> The only way how we really get improvement is to use our limited
> (developer-) manpower as efficient as possible. That's the goal our QA
> efforts try to reach.
No, I didn't, now I have seen them. Very interesting and useful. As well 
as want to be my mail!!!
Now we are speaking... there is communication between us... :-)

> Currently one of our ideas is to do do all fixes in the Master
> (currently 3.5) and then to "cherry pick" the fixes to the branches
> (currently 3.3, 3.4). That's the result of several discussions, we
> think that that is the most efficient way.

Ok, I can surely share this way, but there are many way to improve 
backporting such as Google SoC, some specific financing, University 
Thesis, ...
We at PLIO (an "old" OOo Italian Project) have decided to "sponsor" some 
Libò projects but all is stopped!!! We are Human Being: we can change 
things, we do change things.

So may 3.5.x be from the start (.0 and .1) a branch stabler than 3.4.x 
will ever be? And so 3.4 will be rapidly closed at 3.5 time?

> To keep the master in a good shape we currently try to eliminate
> regressions in the Master as quick as possible. So I try to check these
> <https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression&emailassigned_to1=1&query_format=advanced&keywords_type=nowords&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&version=LibO%203.4%20Daily&version=LibO%20Master&email1=libreoffice-bugs%40lists.freedesktop.org&product=LibreOffice&emailtype1=substring>
>
> Bugs whether they are regressions compared to 3.4.3.
> Those fixes should be done with high priority, and if that work has
> been done, we hope to get other branch bugs more quickly.

For that cause, because regression fix has an onerous (money, time, ...) 
cost, sometime I ask myself if regressions may, somewhat, being avoided 
keeping more attention to wokflow or decide if somewhat may be partially 
engineered again or something like that...

Many eyes may seen better than few ones... moreover if these few ones 
are busy a lot.


> You know
> <http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA-Projects-Incubator#Daily_Build_Tests>
> and <http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds>? It
> would be great if you could support that Master testing by simply
> adding your results in a comment and adding me to CC.

I will try to help us (!) doing this in my spare time. I already do many 
test and I will post in bugzill since Novell Go-OO time... ;-)

> Kind regards and thank you for your Bugzilla activity
>
> Rainer

If we go only a step over we certainly could drink a fresh beer with 
Libò people!!! :-)

Have a nice Sunday!

Carlo

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