Re: [tdf-discuss] Please embed dictionaries in Danish lang-pack and install

2010/10/17 Andrea Pescetti <pescetti@openoffice.org>:
> Andras Timar wrote:
> > 2010/10/17 Andrea Pescetti:
> > > Being the maintainer of the Italian dictionary package, I'm sad to see
> > > LibreOffice trashing my work (and doing the same with other
> > > community-contributed dictionary packages, like Danish as seen in this
> > > thread) without explanation.
> >
> > The word "trashing" is maybe a bit strong in my opinion.
>
> Yes, it has to be taken in the scope I was referring to (i.e., for
> language packs for Linux-based systems), not in general.
>
> > I think general Linux builds should include the dictionaries
>
> I agree, of course. But this is not happening at the moment, is it? And
> if it isn't, how can we propose to change it?

Developers are reading this list I suppose, but you can file a bug,
too. Let's see, if they follow up here in the next few days.

> > and distro specific builds should exclude them and should
> > ship current system wide dictionary packages at the same time.
>
> Well, here indeed the problem should be discussed. I comment on a
> previous message of yours:
>
> > Using system wide dictionaries makes sense in case of
> > spellcheckers, a lot of programs use them.
>
> If if we had only spellcheckers, I could agree on this.
>
> > However, I'm not sure if hyphenation patterns are used by anything
> > other than LibO (Scribus maybe?).
>
> They are in practically all cases converted from LaTeX, but I don't know
> if there is other software using the hyphenation patterns in the
> OpenOffice.org/LibreOffice format.
>
> > I also don't know if thesaurus can be used by other software
> > than LibO.
>
> Me neither, but here the tools used are OOo-specific (resp.,
> LibreOffice-specific!) so I doubt there are other use cases.

I disagree. Hunspell, hyphen and mythes are generic libraries (and
they are not OOo-specific). They could be used in other free software
products, e.g. in KOffice, Firefox etc. in the future.


> > It should be discussed, because not all Linux distributions
> > package all dictionaries for all languages, or the packages may be
> > outdated.
>
> And this is a good point. Moreover, I will add that:
> 1) N-L Projects usually supply a full package (spellchecker+hyphenation
> +thesaurus) and I wouldn't feel confident in shipping it partially.
> 2) Components cannot be assumed to be independent: there is interaction
> between the spellchecker and thesaurus (if you right-click a plural
> word, the singular form is extracted using the spellchecker and the
> synonyms are found for the singular form).
> 3) Unfortunately it seems that integration can go even deeper, like
> http://lingucomponent.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=3592
>
> Based on this, I would recommend to stay on the safe side and include
> the full package in all versions, unless one can prove that removing the
> spellchecker and using the system one (or using none) will not affect
> operations.

I agree with your final conclusion. I'd like add that now - thanks to
the more liberal commit rules of LibreOffice - we can make sure, that
LibreOffice git always contains the latest versions of dictionaries.

Regards,
Andras

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