Re: [Meta] Discussing in board-discuss [ was: Re: [board-discuss] Merged proposal for in-house developers at TDF]

+1

Paolo

On 12/06/2022 12:03, Emiliano Vavassori wrote:
> Hi Simon,
>
> Il 12/06/22 11:17, Simon Phipps ha scritto:
> > They are to help newcomers like you become aware that the complaints 
> > being made are not in fact new or related to the current situation 
> > but date back to a dispute that is many years old and still 
> > unresolved due to personal enmities.
>
> That is still setting a (partial, angled) framing of the situation (as 
> Andreas was doing, to some extent).
>
> What still worries me is that said frictions are still there after a 
> lot of years and weren't solved, and honestly I don't buy it is a 
> constellation of personal issues, rather than a misunderstanding on 
> how effectively implement the shared goals we all should have.
>
> > I am sorry you do not find this helpful, but being aware of the true 
> > history of the project (especially at a time when there are voices 
> > trying to reframe history) is very important and refusing to do so 
> > may lead to incorrect assumptions and the acceptance of untrue framing.
>
> I didn't say I found it useless, I said it wouldn't really still help 
> with moving the general balance of the discussion towards a positive 
> outcome, which was the main objections to Andreas' mails.
>
> > By entering into a dialogue. By hearing and evolving compromises with 
> > other members through selecting positive elements of their 
> > contributions.
>
> I'd generally agree, but what I can read from the thread is that some 
> discussions and objections are less likely to be acknowledged and 
> recognized, and taken as a basis to work on a positive compromise, 
> mostly because that is not coming from a long-time contributor. That's 
> not the case for Andreas, who you are confirming he is akin to the 
> Foundation since a lot of time.
>
> > How should members voice their concerns when they see entryists 
> > harming the project and old unsettled grudges being repeatedly raised 
> > regardless of how they are answered?
>
> Let's start by acknowledging that if there are objections and they are 
> even consistently confirmed from long relationships and from short 
> ones, possibly something to discuss is there.
>
> Cheers,

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