Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

Hi Everyone,
This is my first post on this discussion list.  I am not into the deep 
things of licensing, but I have kept an eye open to understand it 
better.  This discussion list is helping me understand the whole 
situation better.
I may be wrong in my opinion, so I am open to change.
I believe that a completely open source project like this one is 
necessary to keep things clear.  By this, I mean, that keeping a 
licensing model clearly open source where businesses will not be 
benefitting without contributing is important.
By setting a contrast with the two extremes - proprietary/OpenSource - 
it helps me to understand the whole concept better.  If we keep 
LibreOffice as it is, in my opinion, will be better.  It will represent 
the extreme end of the spectrum helping keep tensions up so that the 
in-between licensing models will have something to base themselves on 
(i.e. Apache, etc.).
Conclusion: I vote for LibreOffice to remain as it is.
I have not wanted to post before as I needed to get a little more 
familiar with this community.  Since then I have noticed that various 
kinds of comments are made freely on this forum, so I am feeling more at 
liberty (LIBRE!!!) to comment.
Please correct me if I am wrong,

regards to all
timotheonb


Em 04-06-2011 11:21, Simos Xenitellis escreveu:
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Eduardo Alexandre<eduardogula@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > In my opinion, after all history involving OpenOffice, the ideal would be that
> > this code was donated to the TDF. Everything under the GPL.
> >
> > With the software under the Apache license, we can not "work directly" in
> > LibreOffice because they can not use our effort due to license GPL-Apache.
> >
> > Thus, we must direct our efforts to the software under the Apache license
> > and "reuse" what we want to LibreOffice.
> >
> > But it will also allow our volunteer work is used by large companies to "create
> > " an unopened product for sale. We will be working for free.
> >
> > This is interesting? What is the advantage for the "community"?
>
> IBM already has an OpenOffice product called IBM Lotus Symphony,
> http://www.ibm.com/software/lotus/symphony
> Although based on OpenOffice, it is closed-source due to a special
> deal with Sun.
> If you try to download it, you are presented with a typical restricting EULA.
>
> I believe that IBM, pushing for Apache OpenOffice, want to get the
> best of the work of the community in order to enhance their product,
> and start selling to business customers.
> IBM employees claimed that they will make parts of Lotus Symphony
> available to Apache OpenOffice, however it is not clear what is in
> Lotus Symphony and what will make it into Apache OpenOffice.
>
> With Apache OpenOffice, IBM would probably get an unfair advantage to
> sell their proprietary OpenOffice. And this would be bad for the
> community.
>
> Just like the Linux kernel is copyleft (GPL) and everyone contributes
> to a single project, OpenOffice/LibreOffice should be copyleft, so
> that all work goes to one place and is able grow fast.
>
> Simos


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